I side with Tiberius Coruncanius, and will not support any attempt to give away hardwon territory.

The offer of 20.000 is also excessive in my opinion, altough I would be willing to go as far as 5.000, IF they accept trade along with the ceasefire.

I am willing to support the idea of a superdiplomat.

There is no landbrige in the straits of Gibraltar. What we could try, ifwe get into a war with Iberia, is to conquer some of Carthage's old Spanish provinces and give it to them freely. Then they would go all out in sending troops to fight Iberia. If the AI does not have a beachhead he is reluctant to invade.

OCC : Peace offers to Carthage on VH/M are pointless as long as we hold territory that was theirs originally. I do not believe they will settle for anything less than the return of all their old provinces, and then they will immediately attack us as we are their neighbours, thus making this exercise pointless. If we were playing M/VH or even H/VH this plan might actually have a chance of succes. On VH diplomacy is almost impossible.