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    If we (the UK) were to get rid of HM the Queen and the monarchy in general what would we do with them?
    What do they acutely mean by getting rid of them (throw them out of the country, ignore them, just stop her from having the right to make decisions or just cut her of from government funds.
    Would she still have the right to call herself the queen?
    And finally do you actually think that there is any point in getting rid of her?

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    You get the ankles and I'll get the wrists.

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    There is no model in the world that either works better or is less expensive than the monarchy. Getting rid of them would be a terrible mistake that would be difficult to reverse.

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    your joking right?



    You guys should take away her status, if she protest...civil war (which she'll lose in 3 days )
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    Im anythink but a monarchist, but I dont see the point in getting rid of Lizzy. The style of government in the UK, where the power is de facto with the Prime Minister, but where there is still a need for a figurative head of State, why the hell not just keep her in place. We have a similar enough system in that we have a PM (Taoiseach) and then a President who does next to nothing except finally sign legislation when its gone through the bicameral system. Presidential elections every 7 years are a joke here. The last one went UNCONTESTED! Imagine that! So why not just enjoy the fact that the Monarchy brings hundreds of thousands of eager tourist to London each and every year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceasar010
    You guys should take away her status, if she protest...civil war (which she'll lose in 3 days )
    All UK military personnel swear to serve the Queen, so if the military does it's duty, chances are she will win.
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    I believe funding of said military is a different story, but I'm sure they could last long enough to seize Parliament.
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    http://www.channel4.com/history/micr...m/monarch.html

    http://www.serendipity.li/more/monarch.htm

    ''Startling new facts came to light in research for a Channel 4 programme on Richard III. The historian Michael K Jones had uncovered what appears to be strong proof that the 15th-century English monarch Edward IV was, in fact, illegitimate, thus throwing the legitimacy of all the kings and queens who followed into question. In fact, it appears that the royal line should have extended, not through Edward, but through his brother, George, Duke of Clarence, and his heirs.''

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    Erm, her line is from Germany...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary
    http://www.channel4.com/history/micr...m/monarch.html

    http://www.serendipity.li/more/monarch.htm

    ''Startling new facts came to light in research for a Channel 4 programme on Richard III. The historian Michael K Jones had uncovered what appears to be strong proof that the 15th-century English monarch Edward IV was, in fact, illegitimate, thus throwing the legitimacy of all the kings and queens who followed into question. In fact, it appears that the royal line should have extended, not through Edward, but through his brother, George, Duke of Clarence, and his heirs.''
    Henry VII does not claim legitimacy through his wife, as such a case has never happened in England since women are allowed to assume the throne. Henry VII claims his right through his mother who was the great-grandaughter of John of Gaunt, son of Edward III, King of England and France and Lord of Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieFriedNuts
    If we (the UK) were to get rid of HM the Queen and the monarchy in general what would we do with them?
    Psst, I've got a suggestion on how to get rid of a monarchy...
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    Psst, I've got a suggestion on how to get rid of a monarchy...

    Do we have to supply our own wool for the knitting ?

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    As Arthur Scargill said on Question Time back in the 80's, "I am sure we could find her a nice little cleaning job" - or words to that effect.

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    She costs me $4 a year.

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    LOL! Politicians accountable. That'll be the day. I'd actually be curious to see how much and to whom the public purse pays to the royal family.
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    The monarchy will be in trouble when old big-ears assumes the throne. Is there anybody in Great Britain that actually likes this clown?

    On the other hand, you may have a resurgence of popular suport of the crown with those two young scrapper princes there. A couple of storybook princes, they are. Who was it- William or Harry that demanded to "serve in combat"? Good lads.

    edit: BTW, it seems the monarchy these days is at the mercy of the populace, much as is a politican.

    I say keep 'em, for tradition alone. God knows the Crown won't extend the veto. It would be "Republic" from shore to shore!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieFriedNuts
    If we (the UK) were to get rid of HM the Queen and the monarchy in general what would we do with them?
    Psst, I've got a suggestion on how to get rid of a monarchy...
    Hehe the French model for abolishing monarchy
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieFriedNuts
    If we (the UK) were to get rid of HM the Queen and the monarchy in general what would we do with them?
    What do they acutely mean by getting rid of them (throw them out of the country, ignore them, just stop her from having the right to make decisions or just cut her of from government funds.
    Would she still have the right to call herself the queen?
    And finally do you actually think that there is any point in getting rid of her?

    Happy birthday to her (two birthdays a year just plain greedy)
    Since we are civil, unlike the Greeks, she would keep the bulk of the Crown Estates and the Royal Collection as private property. If she was cut from government funds, them she would presumably take up her own income which currently goes entirely to HM Treasury to be spend as public funds and such, like our taxes. This income amounts to £180+ million, which far outstrips the monies she receives from the government for State business. The public purse would be out of pocket by a considerably sum...

    And just like the Greeks, the Germans, and so on, our Queen would still be able to call her self HM Queen Elizabeth, like HM King Constantine
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    Do you have hard figures for those assertions? Not that I don't believe you but I'd just like to see some figures that the government has put together (aausming they exist at all ).

    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    The monarchy will be in trouble when old big-ears assumes the throne. Is there anybody in Great Britain that actually likes this clown?
    Being as Chuckles will be my king too I can say I'd have him as my monarch. His problem is that he's socially inept, and a wierdo. But if I was in his place I doubt I'd come off any different.


    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    On the other hand, you may have a resurgence of popular suport of the crown with those two young scrapper princes there. A couple of storybook princes, they are. Who was it- William or Harry that demanded to "serve in combat"? Good lads.
    Harry, either in Afghanistan or Iraq. Not sure which place. Chances are though that he'll go. His grandmother sent his helicopter pilot uncle to the Falklands in '82. The MoD was ready to keep Andrew home too. But the Queen said he's a serving officer if his unit is deployed he'll be going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lars573
    Do you have hard figures for those assertions? Not that I don't believe you but I'd just like to see some figures that the government has put together (aausming they exist at all ).
    It was taking too long to traipse around the website of HM Treasury only to find how much it spends...
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    So basically all the private property owned by the royal family is managed like a corporation. All of it's profits are turned over to the treasury each year as taxes. Is the landlord on over 10000 tenancies all over the UK. And has extensive mineral rights, gold and silver on shore and all offshore save hydrocardons. Damn!, all corporations should be run like this. That's what I was looking for.
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    Isnt that just like getting rid of the emporer of Japan? it is a ceremonial title isnt it? upholding traditions that have existed since the dark ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal99
    Isnt that just like getting rid of the emporer of Japan? it is a ceremonial title isnt it? upholding traditions that have existed since the dark ages.
    Except that the Emperor is still decended from the sun and he was always a figurehead more than anything else. Remember Shogun?
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    Remember the history PDF from the WArlord CD. The Shogun ruled in place of the Fujiwara PM's who ruled in the place of the emperor.
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