Getting rid if the Queen?

[scooter_the_shooter]

your joking right?



You guys should take away her status, if she protest...civil war (which she'll lose in 3 days )

[_Martyr_]

Im anythink but a monarchist, but I dont see the point in getting rid of Lizzy. The style of government in the UK, where the power is de facto with the Prime Minister, but where there is still a need for a figurative head of State, why the hell not just keep her in place. We have a similar enough system in that we have a PM (Taoiseach) and then a President who does next to nothing except finally sign legislation when its gone through the bicameral system. Presidential elections every 7 years are a joke here. The last one went UNCONTESTED! Imagine that! So why not just enjoy the fact that the Monarchy brings hundreds of thousands of eager tourist to London each and every year.

[drone]

You guys should take away her status, if she protest...civil war (which she'll lose in 3 days )

All UK military personnel swear to serve the Queen, so if the military does it's duty, chances are she will win.

I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, her heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers set over me.

I believe funding of said military is a different story, but I'm sure they could last long enough to seize Parliament.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

http://www.channel4.com/history/micr...m/monarch.html

http://www.serendipity.li/more/monarch.htm

''Startling new facts came to light in research for a Channel 4 programme on Richard III. The historian Michael K Jones had uncovered what appears to be strong proof that the 15th-century English monarch Edward IV was, in fact, illegitimate, thus throwing the legitimacy of all the kings and queens who followed into question. In fact, it appears that the royal line should have extended, not through Edward, but through his brother, George, Duke of Clarence, and his heirs.''

[rory_20_uk]

Erm, her line is from Germany...

[InsaneApache]

Well it could be worse. We could have President Bliar..(jeez) or President Prescott.

At least Prescott would be willing to give 'good 'ol boy' Shrub a 'Kirkby kiss'...now I'd pay for a ticket for that.

[Justiciar]

Erm, her line is from Germany...

And they got in through the Stuarts who got in through the Tudors who used Edward's legitimacy as their basis of power (Damn, beaten to it). Either way it doesn't bother me that much. They worked their way onto the throne.. good for them. Perhaps it would be better if they weren't there, but given how well many of us live would you really want to risk such a major change? Personally I can understand Republicans and Monarchists.. the problem is they both generally say the same things.

Besides.. if we did kick out the royal family we couldn't just pull a Russian and shoot them all. We'd be doing Republicans in Canada, Australia, and certain other Commonwealth nations a favour, aye, but to a certain extent wouldn't that be like declaring war, explicitly killing off their Head of State and all? Add on to that the fact that the Windsors own a fair chunk of Britain regardless of their station.

[lars573]

Erm, her line is from Germany...

Doesn't matter. *Checks British royal desent* Henry VII's (as Henry Tudor) claim to the throne is based on his marriage to Elizabeth of York. King Edward VI daughter. The Stuarts claim is based off of James I great-grandmother being Henry VII's daughter Margeret. The Hanovrian claim comes from George I's grandmother being James I daughter Elizabeth. So you see if Edward VI is illegitimate then all who came after him are too. After all they didn't just toss George I the throne for no reason right?

And I've seen that show Byz-merc is linking too. That man Michael is an Auzzie. Or rather is a naturalized Auzzie who happens to be a peer of the (British) realm.

[King Henry V]

http://www.channel4.com/history/micr...m/monarch.html

http://www.serendipity.li/more/monarch.htm

''Startling new facts came to light in research for a Channel 4 programme on Richard III. The historian Michael K Jones had uncovered what appears to be strong proof that the 15th-century English monarch Edward IV was, in fact, illegitimate, thus throwing the legitimacy of all the kings and queens who followed into question. In fact, it appears that the royal line should have extended, not through Edward, but through his brother, George, Duke of Clarence, and his heirs.''

Henry VII does not claim legitimacy through his wife, as such a case has never happened in England since women are allowed to assume the throne. Henry VII claims his right through his mother who was the great-grandaughter of John of Gaunt, son of Edward III, King of England and France and Lord of Ireland.

[English assassin]

So far as I can see the only objection to getting rid of the queen is that all those things with "Royal" in their name would sound silly. Try it. Her Majesty's ship Invincible of the Royal Navy has a ring to it, but "Ship" Invincible of the "Navy" is daft.

Otherwise though, its a bit much if we have to keep hold of that prat Charlie just to entertain tourists. All this talk of the Royals not costing anything is total cobblers, where did all this land and stuff that they own "privately" come from, eh? What were they doing, saving their green shield stamps really carefully until they popped down the Co-op one day and found they had enough to buy Cornwall?

Anyway, we have a perfectly good king, King Arthur. He never exactly died, and he is supposed to be the King again in the future at some point, so I say we kick big ears out after Brenda pops her clogs and declare the throne vacant pending Arthur's return from Avalon. Problem solved.

[rory_20_uk]

Then, where did anyone's ownership of anything come from?

I'd happily have Charlie with more power if it stops creatures as Tony having more.

[English assassin]

Then, where did anyone's ownership of anything come from?

Well, in my case I went to work, got paid, paid my taxes, paid into my pension plan, paid for my food and clothes, and then what I had left over I spent or saved up. That's basically where everything I own came from.

Even if Charlie saved really really hard, I somehow don't think he paid the mortgage on Windsor castle from his brief stint playing sailors.

[InsaneApache]

What were they doing, saving their green shield stamps really carefully until they popped down the Co-op one day and found they had enough to buy Cornwall?
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[Pedant on]

You can't use Greensheild stamps at the Co-op.

[Pedant off]