A plea...

[Dayve]

Hey, that is not nice! How about you try to keep the comparisons technical and dispassionate - just for something novel?

Would you like to tell me which part of what i said was unjust? The current build of RTR is immensely easy, there's no disputing that. Even on VH/M i need only conquer 2 cities and the world is pretty much mine for the taking. That said, i enjoy RTR. I've been playing 6.0 since the day it came out and it's great fun, but it's just too easy.

There are two types of people who play RTW. There are history fanatics who want to play RTW as historically accurate as a mod will ever get, (EB) and want a challenge whilst doing so, and there are people who want an easy ass game where you start off with tons of money, a large army and can conquer the entire Roman empire at its height by 240BC, and the game for these people is RTR.

[stalin]

Jesus Dayve you really need to see past the it's "either black or white" bit. I don't care for the accuracy as much as for the gameplay. All I want is a challenging game that has me sweating while being fair (not having to play the battles on very hard) and comes out before the relaease of MTW2 which really ends it for me since the inherent bugs and shortcomings of it's (RTW) AI won't keep me playing if there is something just as stupid but way prettier to play with.

[Dayve]

Well then play both Stalin... Then when CA releases M2TW, which will have beautiful graphics, no depth and an AI just as dumb as in RTW, you can go and play that, and i will go and play that too, but i will be playing RTR and EB as well as M2TW, because both mods will have beautiful skins, just like M2TW will have, but also will be much more of a challenge and have so much more depth due to their scripts and history buffs working on them...

I've never talked about any black or white shit... I like RTR and i like EB, EB just happens to be, in my humble opinion, the better of the two... But opinions are like assholes... Everybody has one and nobody wants to hear about anybody elses...

[Ludens]

There are two types of people who play RTW. There are history fanatics who want to play RTW as historically accurate as a mod will ever get, (EB) and want a challenge whilst doing so, and there are people who want an easy ass game where you start off with tons of money, a large army and can conquer the entire Roman empire at its height by 240BC, and the game for these people is RTR.

If R:TR players are really as lazy as you suggest, they would still be playing vanilla at E/E. People prefer different kind of things. Some want accuracy, some want balance, some like a good challenge, and some just want to relax and be entertained. Also, not everyone has the same standards for challenge: what's fun for one is frustrating and unrealistic for another (Triarii-hordes anyone?). R:TR may not present as much as a challenge as EB does, but it still is more challenging than the basic game.

What I think Trithemius is trying to say is that you should stop using hyperboles when comparing EB to vanilla or R:TR. You may think that those phale in comparison to EB, but they have qualities of their own which you seem to deny.

[Musopticon?]

Hah, the only reason I play EB, is because it's fresh.

Well, being awesome and fairly historical helps, but really, all the new stuff that's in: that's what keeps me addicted. New regions, new units, new gameplay, new anything. Call me shallow, if you wish.

[Epistolary Richard]

We interrupt this tangent to have a word from your moderators

Stay on target...

This thread's for discussion of Recruitable Generals only - anything else goes the way of the Power Regulator on the North Tower... :pulloutwedge:

[paullus]

To return from the tangent, does the AI use the recruited general exploit? Or would the worry only be about the player? If so, who cares if some might use it as an exploit? Most (well, probably a majority, not that I really know) would probably approach recruited generals in a more responsible way.

And I'd still like to see some way to make generals sort of declare their satrapies independent (reduce movement 100%, increase recruitment costs 100%, reduce trade and taxes by a considerable margins, reduce cost to bribe) until another general restores order.