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**toxicseagull** · 06-27-2006, 20:22

would just be curios to know whether there is actually any gameplay or unit differences between the polybian reforms and the start (cammillian?) units and gameplay?

im coming up to them and i dont see any changes?

any info?

cheers in advance

toxic

**orwell** · 06-27-2006, 22:08

Polybian gives them swords.

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 06-27-2006, 22:29

LOL. Nope. The differences are in armour, morale (trainning), attack, defense, etc...

It reflects the continuing evolution from the levied armies to more semi-professional armies.

**toxicseagull** · 06-27-2006, 22:37

ah ok so i basicly get a bit tougher in the old sword arm and cup department?

thats good, im about to take on gaul and makidonia,

will i have to build new units for this to take affect? or will exsisting be upgraded? as i have over 200,000 at the moment but some very experianced troops (yes im boasting,first time ever ive had this much on EB and no money cheats either)

also how come one general still has the old corvinas or something, whilst all my other generals have the newer singal bodyguards? (this is all pre-polybian so far)

**Ludens** · 06-27-2006, 22:46

Originally Posted by toxicseagull

will i have to build new units for this to take affect? or will exsisting be upgraded? as i have over 200,000 at the moment but some very experianced troops (yes im boasting,first time ever ive had this much on EB and no money cheats either)

No, it is impossible to upgrade existing troops.

Originally Posted by toxicseagull

also how come one general still has the old corvinas or something, whilst all my other generals have the newer singal bodyguards? (this is all pre-polybian so far)

I think this is a known bug. IIRC Equites Singulares are post-Marian.

**toxicseagull** · 06-27-2006, 22:49

oh really? *giggles* arnt i the naughty one then?

so i will have to build new units? ah well.... they can die for rome as they have fought.

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 06-27-2006, 22:54

Originally Posted by toxicseagull

ah ok so i basicly get a bit tougher in the old sword arm and cup department?

Yes, and in regard to the Triarii it's the passage from the phalanx to the more flexible manipular formation.

Originally Posted by toxicseagull

thats good, im about to take on gaul and makidonia,

will i have to build new units for this to take affect? or will exsisting be upgraded? as i have over 200,000 at the moment but some very experianced troops (yes im boasting,first time ever ive had this much on EB and no money cheats either)

They are different units, therefore they cannot be upgraded. Upgrading units is hard-coded. Only CA can do that.

Originally Posted by toxicseagull

also how come one general still has the old corvinas or something, whilst all my other generals have the newer singal bodyguards? (this is all pre-polybian so far)

Because General's and Officers (centurions and signifiers) haven't been updated with the new models and skins. You must remember that EB 0.74 is a BETA, not a final GOLD release. 0.8 will take care of that. All Roman Generals and officers have been updated for our next internal release.

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 06-27-2006, 23:02

Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri

All Roman Generals and officers have been updated for our next internal release.

As well as one Hellenic general (not saying which). And he is magnificent!

(and the celtic ones of course too!)

**cunctator** · 06-28-2006, 19:12

Originally Posted by toxicseagull

also how come one general still has the old corvinas or something, whilst all my other generals have the newer singal bodyguards? (this is all pre-polybian so far)

I think you mean that the original generals have equites consulares bodyguards, while all new ne have equites singulares as bodyguards, not that the general models itself. That's a known bug, you can fix it by changing their position in EDU.

**toxicseagull** · 06-28-2006, 21:55

ah very informative :) cheers.

yes i need those slingers, they've taken out 3 units of elephants for me that would of seriously hurt my army's in greece :( gota crush cartho quickly then ....eeek

**iberus_generalis** · 06-29-2006, 20:13

Originally Posted by toxicseagull

ah ok so i basicly get a bit tougher in the old sword arm and cup department?

thats good, im about to take on gaul and makidonia,

man i took on Arverni, aedui. sweboz, karthadastim,koinnon hellenon, makedonia, and the Rebels at the same time before the polybian reforms...by the polybian i had anialated the koinon hellenon, sweboz, and arverni...only the makedonians made me think twice before an attack... power is nothing..it's the way you use it that matters...

**toxicseagull** · 06-29-2006, 21:01

lol ive taken greece and all the settlements along the sea up to byzantium. i have two full stacks as conquering army's one full stack guarding my north, im funding the arverni when they get in trouble (so far they are not gaining or loosing ground agasint the aedui, im thinking of either taking cartho etc or heading north to wipe out the sweboz before they get any money behind them

**Ludens** · 06-27-2006, 22:41

Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri

LOL. Nope. The differences are in armour, morale (trainning), attack, defense, etc...

It reflects the continuing evolution from the levied armies to more semi-professional armies.

On a gameplay level, the Polybian legion is better equiped thanks to the adoption of chainmail, the Iberian short sword and the four-horned saddle. I suppose the increased wealth of Rome made this equipment upgrade possible. Also, the greater empire meant that Roman armies needed to be in the field longer, thus turning the temporary levy into a more permanent, and thus more professional, army, although they still would be disbanded after a campaign. In general, Polybian troops will be thougher and deadlier, though the Trairii will lose some of their flair. Also, your light troops (accensi, level, rorarii) will all be replaced by velites.