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An standalone jump into Britten is out of the question. The RAF would destroy most of our force in progress and radar would make it impossible for us to land unprotected. The best we could do is play a supporting role such as the allied paratroopers did at D-Day. We would probably serve the best in a land campaign were we could raid the allied supply lines.
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Well personally I hope we get to make a jump on Malta.
About the transport planes. There really isn't much we can do to improve the situation at the moment, especially when you consider the fact that Ramcke is only a lieutenant colonel. I don't think we have anything to replace them with anyways. There is absolutely nothing wrong with our gliders though, so I'd prolly recommend that we make good use of them.
A bigger problem is the fact that german paratroopers didn't jump with their weapons strapped to them, but had most of their weapons dropped in containers. This means that we'll have problems if there's enemies around at the dropzone.
Overall the German paratroop doctrine seems to build around dropping a force of paratroopers on an airfield and then flying in reinforcements and supply with transport aircraft.
I don't think we have to worry about jumping on the British Isles, because somehow I don't see a Seelöwe having any chances of success.
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This is going to concentrate on the Mediterranean theatre ... which means that Seelöwe is not going to suceed, or be attempted.Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
Although I must add, the take the airport tactic worked like a charm. It is true that the paratroopers suffered heavy losses at Crete, but the Allies did not see it. What they saw is a complete breakdown of their forces and unrestrained chaos. There are accounts of British troops defending an airfield from attacks for six hours, an airfield which was already in German hands.
This is the situations that paratroopers are meant for. Had the attack on Crete been combined with a naval invasion ... allied losses would be catastrophic, and German losses light.
The transports are a problem, but there is nothing that we can do about it. Perhaps we should consider night jumps? It would scatter the troops more, but would lessen the chances of AA dropping half of our force before we know it.
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Maybe doing night drops with Gliders would be a decent idea? It would definately reduce the risks of being discovered before the actual drop.
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Malta would be a very tempting place,but as Liutenanant Colonel i dont think we have any say on Operational planning. If we can effect the equipment of Paras i would like to see a light mortar in each squad.Paras were always deployed without sufficient supporting weapons.Thank you Franc Im looking forward for this adventure!
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I think a fighter/light bomber escort to attack and neutralize any airfields close to the landing zone before a landing would be a good idea. If we could get some priority air support, it would be excellent. Also, what would the carrying capacity of the gliders be? Maybe they could carry some motorcycles or light prime movers (like a Jeep) + towed artillery so that the Fallschirmjaegers get that extra punch and an easier way to move around.
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That shouldn't be beyond our reach as there are already in some use. We also need to improve our Anti tank capabilities or else be able to lobby for the army to support us with panzers or artillery.Malta would be a very tempting place,but as Liutenanant Colonel i dont think we have any say on Operational planning. If we can effect the equipment of Paras i would like to see a light mortar in each squad.Paras were always deployed without sufficient supporting weapons.Thank you Franc Im looking forward for this adventure!
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Ok, towed 50mm guns a good idea for stopping tanks? I know that the Flak 88is too heavy. Maybe a Kubelwagen with a larger engine can tow a 50mm gun or a 120mm mortar around? Any idea Kage or Franc?
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Interesting new take on interactives!
I think Kagemusha's idea of mortars sounds great. As for anti-tank abilities I supposed the light mortars it probably takes very well-trained crews and quite decent spotting to stop tanks with it, but I suppose it's slightly better than the alternative way of dealing with tanks - high-calibre rifles to blind them by hitting crew windows followed by sneaking up on the tank and planting explosives - which was the normal way for infantry to deal with tanks at the time...
I'll post a list of our most numerously deployed small arms:
- Submachine guns: MP38, soon also MP40
- Bolt-action rifles: Karabiner 98k, with bayonets and possibly also gewehr granate (rifle grenades). I suppose the paras used the 98k shorter pipe carbine version rather than the 98 rifle.
- Semi-automatic rifles: N.A. at this time
- Assault rifles: N.A. at this time
- Sniper rifles: probably a few Karabiner 98k equipped with scope are available. The FG42 fallshimjaegergewehr, probably one of the most flexible German small arms when it came (scope, plus auto and semi-auto fire modes), came in 1942.
- Machineguns: MG34
- Grenades: stielgranate. Most seem to be shock grenades rather than fragmentation grenades (no fragmented metal but rather a strong concussive explosive power), ideally suited for offensive tactics (and probably very deadly indoors in bunkers) but poor for defense
- Anti-tank arms: not much at all, possibly a few high-calibre rifles to take out electronic equipment and the window panes through which the tank crew looks, combined with explosive charges or "Tellerminen" to attach to the tank while it's been blinded. The serious AT weapons such as Panzerfaust and Panzershreck came much later
- Artillery: 5cm mortar, 14.5 kg, 0.9 kg bombs, 520 metres range. Later largely replaced by the larger 8cm mortar of weight 56 kg (possible to dismantle for transportation), range 2400 metres, bomb 3.5 kg (both smoke, explosive and flare). There was also in 1942 a Kurzer 42 version of the 8cm mortar which was lighter but still nearly as effective, probably a weapon well-suited to paratroopers but there's little information on how it was deployed.
- Handguns: doesn't matter much I guess so I won't bother listing them
From what I can see the paras would rely on rifles, smgs, grenades and different forms of explosives mainly at this time. The paras had more machineguns than the normal infantry - one extra per platoon I think. Mortars seem to have been issued in the same numbers as for the normal infantry. But I wonder how much of mortar and machinegun fire power that could actually be brought to battle during airborne insertions.
I think Kagemusha's idea with mortar support is quite good. It wouldn't be as effective as the later anti-tank methods, but specially trained mortar crews might be able to stop tanks more effectively than the high-calibre rifle+explosives method, at least in some scenarios. Suppose a tank force in the open is pinning a paratrooper formation in cover. The mortar is excellent for such situations, where the rifle+explosives method isn't as effective. But I don't know how good accuracy mortars had at this time. Plus each mortar bomb would weigh quite a lot so a mobile mortar team with airborne insertion and without vehicles could hardly carry more than a few dozen mortar shells even for the smallest German mortars AFAIK. For example it says that the lightest German 5cm mortar had bombs each weighing 0.9 kg, the actual mortar weighing about 14.5 kg.
a good page with information about ww2 weaponry: http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/index.htm The info provided there about paratroopers in 1940 is limited I'm afraid...
Last edited by Rodion Romanovich; 06-29-2006 at 22:51.
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Legio: Again, didn't you see my proposal for the dropping things like Kubelwagens for transport? It's definitely possible, as some of those gliders held a lot of stuff.
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