Conservative Club XIV

[Divinus Arma]

I stocked the fridge gents. Here's a round on me. Go ahead Leftist Liberals, have a beer on the house. Although free, you will, however, as is your custom, be taxed at $5k per bottle in order to pay for crack-whore rehabilitation in Houston.

[Big_John]

don't know no nothing about no crack whores. and you can keep your guinness. but here's a bit of the good stuff for you poor misguided cons. beer transcends all boundaries.

[Al Khalifah]

Is Petrus from the same brewry that makes Hertog Jann?

[Big_John]

i don't believe so. petrus is brouwerij bavik. hertog is it's own brewer, right?

Is Petrus from the same brewry that makes Hertog Jann?

edit: ok, enough with the beer i guess. though it does nothing but help this thread..

[caravel]

Contemplates hijacking and converting thread into a beer thread in order to try and save it... but decides against...

[Franconicus]

I do not interfere, just want to wish you good luck for your club, Eclectic!

Leftist Liberalism is to be considered a disease ...

This one makes me curious. Wasn't it Mao who considered political views as a disease? Didn't he send opponents into mental homes. Or was it Stalin? Or Hitler? Or all of them?

My memory does not serve. Maybe you can help!

[Divinus Arma]

WET T-SHIRT CONTEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Divinus Arma]

RULES OF ENTRY FOR THE XIV CONSERVATIVE CLUB

1st DECLARATION WET T-SHIRT CONTEST

NO FAT CHICKS.

NO NUDITY.

NO FAT CHICKS.

NUMBER YOUR CONTESTANTS. (Arbitrary is fine, keep it sane please)

NO FAT CHICKS.

ENTRY STOPS AND VOTING BEGINS WHEN THE HONORABLE MR. ECLECTIC DEEMS APPROPRIATE.

NO FAT CHICKS.

ALL CONTESTANT ENTRIES WITH A SPECIAL RELTAIONSHIP TO CONSERVATISM WILL AUTOMATICALLY RECEIVE A FREE VOTE. THIS INCLUDES LINKS TO LIBERAL TOMFOOLERY OR CONSERVATIVE HEROICS.

AND ABOVE ALL: NO FAT CHICKS!!!!


Let the contest Commence.

[Divinus Arma]

Contestant #1:

Nice but not PG-rated.



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EDIT: I almost forget my free vote! The Case Against Socialism. (One of Many.)

[Banquo's Ghost]

Not being a conservative, I have kept out till now. But I couldn't help observing that the entirety of your platform appears to be alcohol abuse and objectification of women.

[Banquo's Ghost]

My entry:



Not a fat chick, no nudity etc.

And for the special bonus point, Family Values!!!

[doc_bean]

Leftist Liberalism.[/SIZE][/I][/FONT]

Waidaminute: using less fuel, a depletable resource imported from countries hostile to the US for tons of $$$ is bad ?



Seriously though, conservativism is mostly defined by what it is not: liberalism (the real kind) or socialism (and communism). It's an ideology based on the notion that the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, like communism, but interpreted differently. Perhaps 'the many' is not the right choice of words, it is more about the good of society as an abstract entity, often. It's strongest foundation is tradition, if it worked before it should work now. This often leads to a critical view towards science (like global warming), other lifestyles (homosexuals) and other cultures (like Islam). Since tradition is often tied to a nation conservativism often implies nationalism.


Liberalism, on the other hand, emphasizes personal liberty over almost anything else. It's an ideology (conservativism is much more pragmatic) and therefor not workable as a 'pure' system. With personal liberty also comes the need for personal responsibility, an aspect all too often forgotten by those calling themselves liberals these days. Liberalism is a continuation from the great thinkers of the enlightenment and often considered too intellectual by the masses.

Other left wing groups have called themselves liberals, such as environmentalists. But while a restriction on whaling can still be considered a liberal idea (to avoid extinction, taking responsibility and acknowledging our influence on nature) several other fringe groups defending vegetarianism or trying to ban all hunting are definitely not liberals.

Socialism is another idealogy and in some ways seems opposite to liberalism. The basic idea is that through uniting and working towards a common goal a group can become more than the sum of its individuals. While conservativism emphasizes the duty of a person towards society, socialism often emphasizes the duty of society towards the individual. Like liberalism it needs a pragmatic implementation to work.

[doc_bean]

My entry:



Not a fat chick, no nudity etc.

And for the special bonus point, Family Values!!!

Did he just take a piss ?

[Banquo's Ghost]

*opens the closet door a crack*

Psst, Doc! This is the Conservative Club. Thinking ain't allowed. They just wanna have fun...

Get back in the closet with the rest of us pinkos. We stole their Cheetos

[Banquo's Ghost]

Did he just take a piss ?

Taking the piss is what conservatism is all about. I think I should get another bonus point.

[Al Khalifah]

Seriously though, conservativism is mostly defined by what it is not: liberalism (the real kind) or socialism (and communism).

Alternatively, the leftist ideology can be defined in terms of what it is not: Conservatism and since the principles are derived from natural rights, it seems to me that it was around first as well.
Your argument is dualist.

[doc_bean]

Alternatively, the leftist ideology can be defined in terms of what it is not: Conservatism and since the principles are derived from natural rights, it seems to me that it was around first as well.
Your argument is dualist.

I thought about this. I found my way of defining it easier. Note that I did give an actual explanation with as little referral to the other systems as well.

Conservatism can hardly be called an ideology. It's a collection of ideologies (most notably capitalism) and tradition (often inspired by Christianty). Liberalism and socialism are ideologies, abstract concepts of a 'perfect' world.

O, and the natural rights thing is essentially liberalism

Actually, parts of true liberalism is a (small) part of conservatism, but don't let that spoil the fun

[Reverend Joe]

Hilarious. Abd thank you, DA, but I have all I need right here:


Tequila,


Grass,


and cheeseburgers.

[Vladimir]

and cheeseburgers.

What?! Where!?! Please tell me now!

[Divinus Arma]

Whoah..those are huge! But she's not all that hot.. 5 out of 10!
This is the post that contains inaccurate information

That's a costume. They are plastic in a thin-material shirt. LOL!

[Lemur]

They're not fat, just big-boned.

[Divinus Arma]

Remember. The leftist liberals are nothing more than wallpaper and decorations in our illustrious club.

Fear not.

But where are our fellow Conservatives? HAs the Org really bent this far to the left?

[Byzantine Prince]

Hee Heee hee. Don't skured of the pressssssss.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Define what Conservatism means for you and how you came to choose Conservatism over that of Leftist Liberalism.

Well, I was raised conservative for the most part (my dad being one of those right-wing riff-raff types, according to my mom). I'm also naturally conservative, "small c." Change without a good reason is not a good thing, and a respect for tradition is healthy, as long as the tradition in question isn't obviously wrong. Applying that to politics I'm pro-small-government, actually pro-1783-America except for the whole slavery and women can't vote part.

[Papewaio]

Gentlemen this is a PG site as such they violate that rule.

The babe thread was made for (less explicit) posts so people who post from work know they can safely surf the rest of the Org without having to see those posts (work, family etc).

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[Divinus Arma]

Well. That was fun for a day.

Even the costume got removed.

Hmmmm. Okay, well.

PUSSY PARTY!!!

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And here is a wet one:

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Main Entry: 1pussy
Pronunciation: 'pu-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural puss·ies
Etymology: 1puss
1 : CAT
2 : a catkin of the pussy willow

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

[Aenlic]

You should include the movie clip on CNN's web site now, about the one which survived an encounter with a tree chipper. Luckiest darn pussy on the planet!

[Lemur]

I'm passing on a letter Andrew Sullivan just published. It does a very good job of summarizing how the word "conservative" has been bent and twisted until it is worse than meaningless in the U.S.

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I don't consider you a conservative anymore either, for the same reasons I don't consider myself one anymore. In this day, in this country, to be a conservative is to buy into a program of relativism and deconstructionism (scientific knowledge in evolution and climate science is just one "perspective" or is totally unreliable because scientists are a bunch of liberals and science is just a political agenda). To be a conservative is to believe that good government rests on the personal character and godliness of an unshackled executive, not on the time-tested processes and institutions of democracy. To be a conservative is to let your worst enemies dictate your moral values. To be a conservative is to believe that insufficiently conservative judges are enemies of America and should be eliminated or marginalized as illegitimate.

Above all, to be a conservative is to use the power of the government to Christianize Americans and the US government to the greatest extent possible.

Andrew, today liberals are the better defenders of the enlightenment. Conservatives are the enemies of the enlightenment. So you want to cut entitlements? Pardon my French, but big f***ing deal. You want to cut entitlements because you have weighed the evidence of their effectiveness and found it lacking. You're still part of the democratic machine and you still respect democratic reasoning.

Conservatives aren't as quaintly obsessed with evidence and balancing costs and benefits as you are. They want to cut benefits on principle, no matter what. They want to slash taxes as a first principle, expensive wars and basic human decency be damned. They are not rational decision makers in the sense that they distinguish between effective and ineffective programs. The slash taxes, period - no thinking required.

And - this isn't a minor point - they don't actually cut entitlements. They expand them. So there goes that argument.

My choice - and yours - is to join up with a reality-based community that trusts expertise, democratic processes, and established institutions and makes fact-based decisions (these days called liberals), or to join up with a community of relativistic mystics who are not open to reason or persuasion, distrust democracy, reject standards of behavior because they believe themselves to be inherently godly, and have no use for traditional democratic institutions. These tradition-despising relativistic mystics we call conservatives.

Andrew, you and I have much more in common with the liberals. Because they're more conservative.

[Divinus Arma]

I understand the difficulty in understsanding the actions of the Republican Party. And I agree with much of what has been written, if only in essence.

You see, there are some who have expressed themsleves as Christian under the banner of Conservatism, and Conservative under the banner of Christiandom. The truth is that those who use Christianity itself as a political tool are ultimately going to betray their principles as conservatives.

Under the guise of Christianity, some Republicans take actions that are unacceptable to the majority. Thus it becomes a tyranny of the minority.

However, Democrats are much much more dangerous to the United Sates system of Capitalism and personal property rights. Remember, it was leftist-inspired interpretation (By a Republican-controlled Supreme Court, if you consider Souter a Republican of course) of the constituion that led to the New London decision, destroying the right to private property in the United States. And it was liberal (loose, broad, sweeping, and speculative) interpretation of the constituion over years that has ultimately raped states of their sovereign rights and created a one-state nation under the commerce clause-supremacy clause combination.

This is not THE REPUBLICAN club. It's the Conservative Club. You don't have to be a right-wing fascist Christian Extremist to believe that the government that governs least governs best, or that power distributed is power accountable.

The problem is the Republican Party has elements who believe in a variety of applications of conservatism. That is something I am willing to accept.

The alternative is far far worse. The Democrats blatantly and clearly wish to consolidate power into the hands of very few while slowly implementing a leftist-leaning economy.


What is liberalism to me? Liberalism is bending the rules to fit your agenda. Liberals change the law or interpret the law in order to allow for behavior or activity that would otherwsie be unconstituional, unethical, and/or illegal.

Liberal judges free criminals and overturn rulings on bizzare merits. Liberal legislators seek as much power for the government as they possibly can, and when they are unable to, they then turn to the courts to expand their power.

Social conservatives are frustrated because this country's daughters are turning into whores because of the permissive culture. Feminism has destroyed the right of a mother to just be a mother and be proud of that. No, now women have to lawyers or Doctors or something else to matter, accoring to the feminazis. Don't get me wrong, I believe that women are the intelectual equal of men, and hold every bit as much ability and talent. But now a woman cannot even self-respect herself if she chooses to be a moral support for the family system. Thanks to liberals, women are required to do just a few activities in order to succeed in society: Screw or act like a man.

It's bull. And look at our kids. Nobody dates or considers the character of another person. They "hook up". Hell even I did it before I was married. Screw first, date later. And it's a frickin crying shame. And how are parents supposed to control their kids? Kids have no respect for the parents who work their butts off to care for 'em. But what can the parents do? NOT A DAMN THING. Thanks to the damn liberals who have screwed it up for all of us. I'm not advocating abuse by any means, but hell, at least a man could teach his boy a lesson once upon a time. Nowadays, some little whiney brat gets slapped by mom, and all the liberal feminazis call the cops.

And what about freedom of speech? Nowadays, you have to be so politically correct you can't even give an honest opinion with out people getting all whiney about racisim or sexism. For christ's sake, I'm not interested in tearing people down; I want to build them up and watch 'em stand on their own two feet with personal responsibility.

And that's the bottom line right there. Personal responsibility. At the end of the day, the Conservatives of all stripes within the Republican party agree that human beings have the right and obligation of personal responsibility. That just is not the case with leftist liberals who refuse to acnkowledge that people are responsible for their owv actions. In the view of the liberal, the government is ultimately responsible for everyone else. "The government knows best".

I believe in the natural ability of the human being to prosper and thrive. I trust people to do the right thing. I count on families, individuals, and parents to make the right choice for themselves and their families. And that's why I can stick to my guns in a leftist-leaning forum like this; in a culture corrupted by MTV, urban gang rap, and instant gratification.

I can't count on the Democrats to preserve these values. So I will do what I have to do, and fight within the party choice that I have in order preserve the values of conservatism against its enemies.

[Divinus Arma]

Look, you can't call for less restrictions on business, less taxes, less government power, while at the same time calling for peoples' social actions, thoughts, and expressions to be limited. It is not morally reconciliable at all.

It is perfectly fine to be disgusted with modern culture, but as someone who has grown up in it I can tell you most people grow out of it. It's no different than your culture was to your parents. Trying to put restrictions on culture and expression, however gross those things may be, is a far, far more fundamentally "lefty" thing to do, for it requires a government invasion into not just businesses, but private lives.

Along those lines, however, I think parents should be allowed to spank their kids and enforce stronger punishments to avert these morally questionable acts. An intrusion into the family is as bad as an intrustion into culture.

hey woah woah woah. I'm not saying we should BAN anything or outlaw it. I'm saying that our culture is degrading because the ability of our parents to be parents has been neutered. I'm saying that our social values have been destoryed because teachers are afraid of students. It is NOT the responsibility of the government to criminalize this behavior. But yet the liberals think it is the governments responsibility to raise our kids. "It takes a village", my arse.

De-criminalize pot for all I care. But parents should have the ability to teach and control theri kids.

Nowadays parents have two options: verbal compliance, or law enforcement.

That is IT.

edit: And what's more, think abvout who restricts behavior: Conservatives? NOPE. That's right its the liberals who have made it miserable for a female to be a female. It is the liberal who keep the black man down so he can stand on his back for a podium. It is the liberal who inhibits your ability to speak by calling it "offensive". Since when was offensive equal to criminal, damnnit?