EB to BI's 1.6

**Dooz** · 07-03-2006, 09:31

Originally Posted by Dago

Please don`t port to 1.6 because not everyone has BI. As for me 1.5 is good enough.

Why would they not port to 1.6? They're going to finish porting to 1.5 anyways, so those without BI (like myself) will have what they need, but after that, why intentionally not port to 1.6 if it's as easy as described?

**Dago** · 07-03-2006, 09:38

Well yes, they could do two versions, one for 1.5 and one for 1.6. That would be ok.

**Cheexsta** · 07-03-2006, 12:20

IMHO, just keep to one "official" version, compatible with 1.5. User-made minimods to make the mod work with 1.6 should suffice; the RTRPE community is doing the same, with one of the team's unit balancing guys releasing an unofficial 1.6-compatible export_descr_unit.txt file every now and then for people who use the BI exe. 1.5 text files are compatible with 1.6, but the BI executable just adds a little bit more functionality.

**Jolt** · 07-03-2006, 21:58

The thing is. I don't own BI as well, and I can't afford it. Thusly, it would be bad from my point of view to see those who have BI being able to play more advanced versions of EB then those who don't.

**Lehesu** · 07-03-2006, 22:09

Originally Posted by Jolt

The thing is. I don't own BI as well, and I can't afford it. Thusly, it would be bad from my point of view to see those who have BI being able to play more advanced versions of EB then those who don't.

I don't understand your logic...They are already providing a free (and high quality) product that will work with your current copy of the game. If they choose to update the product on BI, why should that be a problem when they already support 1.5? If it is more advanced, than it simply becomes a cost v benefit analysis on your part to see if it is worth purchasing BI.

**Ludens** · 07-03-2006, 23:01

Originally Posted by Jolt

The thing is. I don't own BI as well, and I can't afford it. Thusly, it would be bad from my point of view to see those who have BI being able to play more advanced versions of EB then those who don't.

I think you misunderstand what is being said. Khelvan has repeatedly stated that EB 1.0 will be compatible with R:TW 1.5. What is being proposed here is that someone ports the next releases (0.8 to 1.0) to BI, which is a relatively simple operation.

**Jolt** · 07-04-2006, 16:43

Originally Posted by Ludens

I think you misunderstand what is being said. Khelvan has repeatedly stated that EB 1.0 will be compatible with R:TW 1.5. What is being proposed here is that someone ports the next releases (0.8 to 1.0) to BI, which is a relatively simple operation.

This would be the correct statement.

Originally Posted by Acy Topia

Look, if you want that extra cheese, you have to pay up. Otherwise you still have a nice, free pizza to enjoy, and while it might not be as big and tasty as with the extras, it's still way better than you can expect to get for free. What I'm trying to say here is that there is absolutely no reason at all not to allow those who bought BI to ripe the benefits from it, when the port is so easy and those without it still can play.

What if we can't afford extra cheese? While someone is making an hamburger that is supposed to be for all to enjoy, it sucks for those who can't actually buy the game to see it advance to BI, leaving the normal RTW obsolete. I misunderstood what was said, and I thought EB would move to BI.

**mcsquared** · 07-04-2006, 21:15

Originally Posted by Jolt

This would be the correct statement.

What if we can't afford extra cheese? While someone is making an hamburger that is supposed to be for all to enjoy, it sucks for those who can't actually buy the game to see it advance to BI, leaving the normal RTW obsolete. I misunderstood what was said, and I thought EB would move to BI.

What about the people who can't afford MTW2? Should CA not release the game because some people who have MTW1, do not have the money to buy MTW2? If you can't afford to buy the "extra cheese" then live with RTW but let's not stop progress because of it! RTW has BEEN obsolete ever since EB and RTR came out! We're just extremely fortunate that so many improvements to this game are free!

**Cheexsta** · 07-05-2006, 03:39

Originally Posted by Tiberius

Also, what does BI offer, really? A horde or two, which did not happen historically. Loyalty would just be harsh on the Selucids. Night fighting can already be implemented, as RTR has demonstrated. Religions were all essentially Meidterranean apart from a few, and this would once again be mainly a Selucid problem.

Hordes didn't happen historically? What about the Cimbri and the Teutones? The Helvetii, or even the Gauls who invaded Greece and then formed Galatia? They could all be described as "hordes" as far as game mechanics go.

Loyalty would be good, IMHO, especially for the collapsing Seleucids. Though it would probably be better if civil wars were quite rare, but potentially devastating when they occurred. As an aside, Loyalty can already be added to 1.5 mods (see TFT v1.95)...

**mcsquared** · 07-05-2006, 05:03

[QUOTE=Jolt]This would be the correct statement.

What if we can't afford extra cheese? While someone is making an hamburger that is supposed to be for all to enjoy, it sucks for those who can't actually buy the game to see it advance to BI, leaving the normal RTW obsolete. I misunderstood what was said, and I thought EB would move to BI.[/QUOTE

Personally, I like to play BOTH EB and RTR. If you can't afford BI you'll be out of luck with RTR when version 7 comes out; I quote from their website:

"Updated 05/19
Q. What version of Rome Total War will I need to play Rome Total Realism 7.0 and its future versions?

A. You will need a fully patched version of RTW Barbarian Invasion, also known as BI 1.6."

**The Celtic Viking** · 07-04-2006, 01:34

Originally Posted by Jolt

The thing is. I don't own BI as well, and I can't afford it. Thusly, it would be bad from my point of view to see those who have BI being able to play more advanced versions of EB then those who don't.

Look, if you want that extra cheese, you have to pay up. Otherwise you still have a nice, free pizza to enjoy, and while it might not be as big and tasty as with the extras, it's still way better than you can expect to get for free. What I'm trying to say here is that there is absolutely no reason at all not to allow those who bought BI to ripe the benefits from it, when the port is so easy and those without it still can play.

**Cheexsta** · 07-04-2006, 04:34

Originally Posted by Acy Topia

Look, if you want that extra cheese, you have to pay up. Otherwise you still have a nice, free pizza to enjoy, and while it might not be as big and tasty as with the extras, it's still way better than you can expect to get for free. What I'm trying to say here is that there is absolutely no reason at all not to allow those who bought BI to ripe the benefits from it, when the port is so easy and those without it still can play.

Well put, and a nice analogy

What I meant with my last post is that I think it's a good idea that EB remain officially only a 1.5 mod, with a 1.6-compatible version released as an unofficial addition (by non-EB members, if need be) for those of us who own BI. Hell, all that would really need to be changed is perhaps export_descr_units.txt, and that would just be to add some of the BI unit characteristics (swimming etc). Just about everything else (loyalty, night fighting and so on) can already be added to 1.5, so you're not really missing out on much extra.

**Conqueror** · 07-04-2006, 10:20

Originally Posted by Cheexsta

...with a 1.6-compatible version released as an unofficial addition (by non-EB members, if need be) for those of us who own BI. Hell, all that would really need to be changed is perhaps export_descr_units.txt, and that would just be to add some of the BI unit characteristics (swimming etc).

What about the shield wall formation though? If the hoplite-style units are changed from phalanx to SW then it might require their stats to be significantly altered for balance reasons - which may require much playtesting to get it right. An official port by the EB team would thus be called for IMO.