A REALLY Interesting Preview Of M2TW

**Woozie** · 07-25-2006, 17:20

Originally Posted by Puzz3D

The word history should no longer be used in connection with Total War. Gamey is a much better word to use.

If they put a little extra work into the AI, I bet they could get the suicide general to charge directly at your biggest cannon when it was ready to fire. That would Rock!

Why are you still posting in this thread? Just leave if you're razzing people, we don't need unnecessary flames, thanks.

**The Spartan (Returns)** · 07-26-2006, 23:09

hm... if bodies are 3-D dont troops have to walk over the bodies or around? (like elephants)

**Fwapper** · 07-27-2006, 00:33

Originally Posted by econ21

............ "clubbing together against the pack leader"...........

I actually don't like that kind of mechanic. It's not realistic: for example, it's not like all the world is going "Oooh, America is getting too powerful, let's all gang up on her." Moreover, it rather debases the diplomacy and means that if you are going to win it has got to be by total war. Yes, I know we could hardly sue CA under trade descriptions but still, I'd like to see more scope for diplomacy. Civ4 does it much better, with it being possible - but not easy - to charm your way to the top.

This is definately realistic... OK so I can't think of a medieval example BUT, in the years before WWI, the european nations gradually separated into two clearly defined alliance groups with agreements that said "If you go to war against so and so, we will also go to war with them." I'd like to see this kind of agreement possible. Also, one set of alliances were made to defend against powerful, arrogent Germany, while the other set were made to gain Germany's protection and help. This was basically just clubbing into two clear groups which go to war all togeather.

For example, one alliance group is made up of A, B and C, the other is X, Y and Z

A war between B and Z alone would be impossible. If B did declare war on Z, then A and C should join in the war, as should X and Y. Get what I mean? No didn't think so...

**econ21** · 07-27-2006, 02:18

Originally Posted by The Fwapper

For example, one alliance group is made up of A, B and C, the other is X, Y and Z

I am all for entangling alliances, but I think the "gang up on the leader" mechanic will make them short term at best. As I understand it, once player faction A outstrips the rest of the AI factions, they will form a de facto alliance against you - regardless of the relationships you've tried to build up over the years.

**Furious Mental** · 07-27-2006, 02:45

Well I think it is reasonable that if one's faction becomes so large it threatens its neighbours, it's reasonable for them to form an alliance against one. That is indeed often what happened historically. However one should also be able to force other states into lop sided alliances due to one's power.

**Fwapper** · 07-27-2006, 09:41

Originally Posted by econ21

Originally Posted by The Fwapper

For example, one alliance group is made up of A, B and C, the other is X, Y and Z

I am all for entangling alliances, but I think the "gang up on the leader" mechanic will make them short term at best. As I understand it, once player faction A outstrips the rest of the AI factions, they will form a de facto alliance against you - regardless of the relationships you've tried to build up over the years.

The A,B,C vs X,Y,Z example I was thinking of was basically clubbing up on the leader. As it happened in history: Britain, France & Russia ganged up on Germany as it became too powerful - it upset the balance of power - Germany (in defence) Made alliances with Austria and Italy. These alliances were solid ones which were not easily broken, unlike those in RTW. ...OK so italy did swap sides when her alliance group started losing, but most alliances worked. :P

**Yosemite** · 07-27-2006, 14:10

Originally Posted by professorspatula

Well, that's what I'm hoping for. And quad-damage powerups when I need my general riding his 480BHP Mustang steed to blitz the enemy pikemen who's close range light sabers usually just kill him outright. Come on CA, sort yourself out. We're waiting for the TW revolution to begin!

You forgot the holy sword of great redemption +10...

**4th Dimension** · 07-28-2006, 15:31

Let's not forget the Dragons. Integrla part of every real game representing Medieval period. :D

And that they will all team up on the onqueror is not entirely true. Some factions would ally with him, if they hated their neghbours more than him, if that faction promised not to conquer them.