Israel and the movement of things

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Until enough killing leaves both parties stunned, exhausted, unable to continue, and forced to talk; there will never be a "resolution" that lasts.
The problem there Seamus is that some of the parties involved are just sitting back and laughing , they will fight Israel till the last Lebanese/Palestinians are standing , it doesn't hurt them at all.

Quite true. I regret that it is my belief that a general war involving, at a minimum, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan Israel, Iran, Hamas, Hizbollah, Al Quaeda (and probably Yemen and possibly Egypt) will have to precede any meaningful peace.

Is there more to your perspective on this aside from:
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Nope , I only do shallow simplistic perspective without any consideration of the wider situation , the context , the prescedents and possible outcomes .

So here is something to mull over Seamus, what is your opinion on the Isrealis handing over maps showing the layout of minefields it had laid to Hezb'allah in part exchange for hostages ? Forget for a moment the hostages for prisoners exchange (though the 3 1/2 thousand "administrative" prisoners held without charge is something that should be addressed in a wider context but hezB'allahs main issue seems to be the 3 individuals they thought they were getting last time that they didn't get) .
So considering the peace deal , the hand over and demilitarisation , why the hell were the mines locations handed over to terrorists when they should have already been handed over to either the Lebanese government of the UN mission ?
Wouldn't it be really ironic if the 4 IDF soldiers killled in the Merkeva MBT turned out to have been killed by an Israeli mine that the Israeli government gave to the terrorists .
Or for some real irony , what if Iran ships some missiles to the Leb to target Israel that were originally sent to Iran by Israel for the Americans(after the little problem of the US shipments to Iran became public) in exchange for US hostages .

I'm not worried about the arms for hostages missiles -- primarily because of their age. Your general point about ironic turns in conflict is, of course, valid.

I wish they'd simply detonated the mines. Old-style mines that can be dug up and "turned around" are not a good idea, and making it easier by giving them the locations is not appealing to me. I'm even more annoyed at the slim possibility that they were dug up, shipped to Anbar province, and are now serving as IED's.

Ultimately, I find war abhorent; but I find wars that are waged half-arsed to be both STUPID and abhorent. If you come to the conclusion that you must rid yourself of a disease by amputating your hand, using a butterknife to minimize the damage of the individual cuts is counter productive. If you must wage war -- and it is a horrid choice, then cry havoc and be done with it.

[Tribesman]

Ultimately, I find war abhorent; but I find wars that are waged half-arsed to be both STUPID and abhorent. If you come to the conclusion that you must rid yourself of a disease by amputating your hand, using a butterknife to minimize the damage of the individual cuts is counter productive. If you must wage war -- and it is a horrid choice, then cry havoc and be done with it.
Problem there though Seamus , what is the purpose of this war (though they are being careful not to call it a war) , can it achieve its aims by the methods being used (or by any conventional military methods for that matter) ?
If not then it definately falls into the half-arsed stupid abhorrent category .


Red while you are off wandering in the woods , think .
I would hardly have been using the Russian/Yiddish derivative versions would I . So that should narrow it down .

[Redleg]

Red while you are off wandering in the woods , think .

I am always thinking - Bubba however is off wandering in the woods....

I would hardly have been using the Russian/Yiddish derivative versions would I . So that should narrow it down .

When you speak civil then you get a civil response. If you don't want to play with Bubba don't call him forth....

[Tribesman]

I am always thinking
Is that between or during assumption ?
When you speak civil then you get a civil response
Would you like a peanut Red ?

[Tribesman]

I am always thinking
Is that between or during assumption ?
When you speak civil then you get a civil response
Would you like a peanut Red ?

[Papewaio]

Closed while mod sweeps out the peanut shells then bangs head against wall muttering.