New unit - Mamluks

**Perplexed** · 07-15-2006, 22:06

Originally Posted by The Spartan

well at least there are Mamlukes unlike in MTW i think.

MTW had Mamluks.

**The Spartan (Returns)** · 07-15-2006, 23:25

Originally Posted by Perplexed

MTW had Mamluks.

oh. i guess in vi?

**Perplexed** · 07-15-2006, 23:32

Actually I'm fairly sure they were in the original game, not absolutely certain though.

**Husar** · 07-15-2006, 23:50

They were, VI introduced Faris.

**DukeofSerbia** · 07-16-2006, 18:30

Originally Posted by Perplexed

MTW had Mamluks.

In MTW are Mamluk Cavalry and Mamluk Horse Archers.

**Leet Eriksson** · 07-16-2006, 18:49

The mameluke horse archers were far more superior than the ordinary mameluke cavalry in MTW. The Faris were even better.

At least these are a bit more improved, hopefully not becoming a useless unit like the mameluke cavalry in MTW.

**DukeofSerbia** · 07-16-2006, 18:57

Originally Posted by faisal

The mameluke horse archers were far more superior than the ordinary mameluke cavalry in MTW. The Faris were even better.

At least these are a bit more improved, hopefully not becoming a useless unit like the mameluke cavalry in MTW.

I agree. That's why I remoded their stats to became better unit.

**Kralizec** · 07-17-2006, 03:25

Originally Posted by faisal

The mameluke horse archers were far more superior than the ordinary mameluke cavalry in MTW. The Faris were even better.

At least these are a bit more improved, hopefully not becoming a useless unit like the mameluke cavalry in MTW.

Yes, Mamelukes were useful for hammering well armoured units that are pinned on spears but overall they were too weak.

Mameluke horse archers had -1 charge compared to Faris, but MHA recruited in the Sinai got a valour bonus making them superior.
Also IIRC Faris were only availabe in High and Late eras.

**Orda Khan** · 07-17-2006, 15:49

I think there will be more than one Mamluk unit, there has to be

......Orda

**Randarkmaan** · 07-17-2006, 18:35

I think there should be three Mamluk units(all of them cavalry); Lancers/Heavy Cavalry with(you guessed it) lances and heavy armour, Horse archers with bows, swords and light armour, and bodyguards with impressive stats, discipline morale, very heavy armour and lances or maybe axes.

And one thing, someone said earlier that steppe- and Arab horses were smaller than western horses. For steppe horses this was true as they tended to resemble ponies, but the Arab horses this is not entirely true. They were similar in size to most western horses and larger than some as well, they were not as heavy though, but they were very strong and supposedly this breed of horse was smarter as well.
I'm not entirely sure about this but I think there is a hint of truth to what I just said.

**Ibn Munqidh** · 07-17-2006, 18:53

Originally Posted by Randarkmaan

I think there should be three Mamluk units(all of them cavalry); Lancers/Heavy Cavalry with(you guessed it) lances and heavy armour, Horse archers with bows, swords and light armour, and bodyguards with impressive stats, discipline morale, very heavy armour and lances or maybe axes.

And one thing, someone said earlier that steppe- and Arab horses were smaller than western horses. For steppe horses this was true as they tended to resemble ponies, but the Arab horses this is not entirely true. They were similar in size to most western horses and larger than some as well, they were not as heavy though, but they were very strong and supposedly this breed of horse was smarter as well.
I'm not entirely sure about this but I think there is a hint of truth to what I just said.

Arab horses were smaller than their western counterparts, but not by a big margin. They were considerably larger than steppe ponies, but still smaller than western horses. They are very strong and very, very smart and intelligent. Ive witnessed this with my own eyes. A horse would refuse to go if a "stranger" was riding him. It only accepts its rider. Not all of them are like that though. They are also the fastest, swiftist and most agile horses in the world too.

As to your idea of mamluks, i totally agree. We should see a shock unit, armed with a lance and heavy armour, a missile cav unit, armed with a bow and a sword, lightly armoured, and elite royal bodyguards, armed with an axe or mace, and heavily armoured.

**Orda Khan** · 07-18-2006, 16:04

Originally Posted by Randarkmaan

And one thing, someone said earlier that steppe- and Arab horses were smaller than western horses. For steppe horses this was true as they tended to resemble ponies, but the Arab horses this is not entirely true.

This is not quite true of steppe horses either. The Akhal-Teke, an ancient breed found east of the Caspian, north Iran and surrounding area stand in excess of 15 hands. They are/were renowned for their stamina and surprising hardiness even though their rear conformation is weak ( cow hocks )

......Orda