Mount Suribachi 10:53 07-16-2006
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine:
P.S. Cannavaro and Thuram are rumoured with links to Fenerbahçe, but I already know its difficulty after all those Titans cahsing them.
Thuram,
maybe, but Cannavaro, no way. All the talk is that he's a lock to go to Real Madrid, although there are whispers that Chelsea are interested.
With most of the big name players that will be up for grabs, the question is can they afford their wages? There are only a handful of teams that can pay the same big wages as Juve & Milan - Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Man Utd. Man Utd have an enormous debt round their necks (thankyou Malcolm Glazer), even Chelsea aren't a bottomless pit of money. Real & Barca can only compete because Spains accounting laws allow them to be £200M in debt....
Overall, what this glut of players and shortage of buyers onto the market may do is drive down transfer fees & wages for the next year or 2. Man Utd won't get very much for Van Nistelrooy with the likes of Trezuguet & Ibrahimovic on the market.
The Black Ship 16:52 07-16-2006
When this is all played out, and if any individuals involved are found guilty...should FIFA do anything about Italy's WC? I mean if it's proven that cheaters were on the Italian WC squad how can you allow the team's record to stand?
Are player's different than teams whem it comes to match-fixing?
Originally Posted by The Black Ship:
When this is all played out, and if any individuals involved are found guilty...should FIFA do anything about Italy's WC? I mean if it's proven that cheaters were on the Italian WC squad how can you allow the team's record to stand?
Are player's different than teams whem it comes to match-fixing?
nothing was proven regarding the involvement of players on this....
Mount Suribachi 20:17 07-16-2006
Yeah, its all to do with the actions of the management of the clubs involved - arranging that certain refs did their games, that they booked opposition players to make sure they were suspended when they played Juve.
The only incriminated players are
opposition players. I forget the team, but towards the end of last season Juve were 3-0 up against them after 10 minutes. SEVEN of that teams players were on the books of the agency run by the Juve presidents son......
Originally Posted by JAG:
What I think is most interesting is whether AC Milan got off lighter because of Berlesconi....
Whilst one is always prone to suspect dodgy dealings where he is involved, according to an Italian based journalist on the radio this afternoon, going by the phone taps, Milan were genuinely the club with the least to answer for.
Bar Kochba 00:56 07-17-2006
Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi:
Thuram, maybe,
Overall, what this glut of players and shortage of buyers onto the market may do is drive down transfer fees & wages for the next year or 2. Man Utd won't get very much for Van Nistelrooy with the likes of Trezuguet & Ibrahimovic on the market.
Awwww poor footballers instead of 50k a week they will have to settle for 25k i hope they dont starve
Papewaio 02:02 07-17-2006
Are the footballers contracts still binding?
Surely a canny lawyer could argue that the demotion to a lower league will unjustly hurt the earning capacity of the footballers due to loss of advertising appeals and other earning loses. And that this loss of income is due to illegal actions of the club.
So could they get the contracts revoked because of the clubs illegal actions and the injuries these cause to the players ability to earn?
Mount Suribachi 10:32 07-17-2006
Depends. A lot of players have a relegation release clause - but not usually at big clubs like Juventus. A lot of clubs also insert clauses into their players contracts that their wages go down if the club gets relegated. But again, not normally at clubs like Juventus.
Most of the players will be on their way out at bargain basement prices. The likes of Juve rely on Champions League money to pay the huge salaries, and they are at least 3 seasons away from playing in the CL again.
DukeofSerbia 12:19 07-17-2006
Originally Posted by Papewaio:
Are the footballers contracts still binding?
Surely a canny lawyer could argue that the demotion to a lower league will unjustly hurt the earning capacity of the footballers due to loss of advertising appeals and other earning loses. And that this loss of income is due to illegal actions of the club.
So could they get the contracts revoked because of the clubs illegal actions and the injuries these cause to the players ability to earn?
Contracts are still legal. Serie B is proffesional league in Italy. But if Juventus (or anybody else) relegated in Serie C, all contracts would became instantly null as Serie C in Italy is amateurish league.
Thank god we won't have to see another all-italian CL final this year. Yawn....
Rodion Romanovich 18:07 07-17-2006
I don't think the actions towards some Italian bribing teams is the death of Italian football as a sport. The fact that almost none of the people who watched the football noticed that the games were bribed pretty much proves the point. If the watchers don't see the difference it doesn't matter at all for the game, then what does it matter if they're bribed? Apart from legal reasons such as preventing people from taking advantage of knowing the results in advance when making large sum bets etc., I don't see any reason people should be dissatisfied. If they can't even spot the difference between bribes and no bribes, why would they see difference between the previous top series of the league and the new one, where some teams have been moved down?
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