prisoners are back!

**Salazar** · 07-16-2006, 10:49

"the French infantry launch an audacious bid to turn themselves into gallic kebabs as they march straight onto a row of spikes placed down by his archers"

Ok, it's not the Knights, but just as stupid

**GiantMonkeyMan** · 07-16-2006, 11:32

oops my bad... but still, cavalry may be surprised by spikes and not manage to stop in time if they are charging full pelt, but infantry should be able to stop or even go through spikes unheeded...

i'm more happy that they decided to include prisoners but whatever, bully me for my crappy observation skills

GMM

**econ21** · 07-16-2006, 11:54

The colourful phrasing of the "kebab" line suggests to me that the reviewer should not be taken as literally saying attacking stakes causes casualties to infantry. If I were CA, I would have the stakes negate the cavalry charge bonus, not cause casualties and until I hear definitively otherwise, that's what I'll assume is going to happen.

Extending that negate charge effect to infantry would be defensible - pallisades, field entrenchments, abatis etc have been used throughout history to take some of the bite out of an assault. If you had a choice between receiving an infantry charge in the open or behind stakes, which would you choose? In game, the effect would probably be mild as infantry charge bonuses are modest.

**IrishArmenian** · 07-16-2006, 20:07

Yay! Prisoners! Time for my dread rating to skyrocket.
Yes, the stakes would slow down infantry. They are best used against knights because knights cannot stop too fast and horses/knights would get implaed, scared horses would buck riders off and amidst the confusion, the Archers could shoot the calvary.

**Sarkiss** · 07-17-2006, 01:25

Originally Posted by IrishArmenian

Yay! Prisoners! Time for my dread rating to skyrocket.
Yes, the stakes would slow down infantry. They are best used against knights because knights cannot stop too fast and horses/knights would get implaed, scared horses would buck riders off and amidst the confusion, the Archers could shoot the calvary.

**Alexander the Pretty Good** · 07-17-2006, 02:02

I'm pleasantly surprised that the article didn't refer to prisoners as a "new feature" like all the other stuff from MTW that are returning.

Good thing I took another look at the article, as I was ready to make a sarcastic post about that very detail.

**Perplexed** · 07-17-2006, 02:02

I always used to butcher my prisoners and laugh as the enemy king and all his heirs were wiped out instantaneously.

Too bad you got a battlefield morale penalty if you did it too often...

**Vladimir** · 07-17-2006, 03:05

Originally Posted by IrishArmenian

Yay! Prisoners! Time for my dread rating to skyrocket.
Yes, the stakes would slow down infantry. They are best used against knights because knights cannot stop too fast and horses/knights would get implaed, scared horses would buck riders off and amidst the confusion, the Archers could shoot the calvary.

General Vladimir
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Dread:

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**Ignoramus** · 07-17-2006, 03:19

Sorry to disappoint you, but it appears that Dread is not included in MTW2.

It appears that the less Chivalry you have the more "feared" you will be.

**Perplexed** · 07-17-2006, 03:39

Originally Posted by Ignoramus

Sorry to disappoint you, but it appears that Dread is not included in MTW2.

I would guess that a negative chivalry rating equals a positive dread rating, whereby if you go below zero chivalry, the chivalry meter switches to the dread meter.

**caravel** · 07-17-2006, 15:34

Originally Posted by Ignoramus

Sorry to disappoint you, but it appears that Dread is not included in MTW2.

It appears that the less Chivalry you have the more "feared" you will be.

"Authority" would probably also have a dread like effect. Accumen seems to have been omitted also.

I didn't think much of that article. The reviewer describes princesses as being "prostituted", which is way over the top.

This seems promising though. I only hope it really works.

"In Medieval II, the AI will not only remember previous dealings you've had with it but your dealings with other factions, too. It'll then base its stance towards you on all of those factors."