Replacing underperforming Governors

**bamff** · 07-17-2006, 03:37

Have often wondered if there is another way of handling governors that are underperforming....

Depending on the other traits of said governor, I use one of the following

1. Send him into battle - if he wins a glorious victory it's worth it, if he loses he may well be despatched and the title becomes available once more
2. Send in the Assassins
3. Disband his whole unit

This is assuming that I haven't got some secondary "accumen bestowing" title to plop in his lap.

Is there any other way of separating these wretch's from their provincial title?

I have tried several searches, but cannot find any threads with the answer to this problem....your assistance would be greatly appreciated!

**Avicenna** · 07-17-2006, 04:05

1) That works, but the command doesn't go up that fast
2) Can't assassinate your own family members, sorry
3) Can't do that either

You could:
Try (1)
Use him as heavy cavalry
Prop him into an academy or better
Send him onto a single bireme and attack a pirate fleet

**GeneralHankerchief** · 07-17-2006, 04:08

Underperforming? Not too sure what you mean by that.

If you mean a governor who is has terrible stats then there's a couple of things that can be done. You mentioned some already, so here's a few more.

- Use him as an extra unit of cavalry in a better General's army. It can do a lot of damage, it self-replenishes, and if he dies on you... no biggie!
- Raise taxes in the settlement to either "High" or "Very High". If the public order can take the hit, usually they give your boy a few points in management.
- Send him on a suicide mission. Basically have him kill as many enemy as he can before keeling.
- Make him the faction's messenger: i.e. use him to transfer retinues between characters.
- Have him wander around constructing watchtowers. Somebody's got to do it.
- This one is rather like the suicide mission one. Have him block a chokepoint, such as a bridge or mountain pass. If he's in a fort, he can delay the enemy long enough for you to bring reinforcements. If they attack... have him charge home. If he dies, no biggie.

Never just kill him off mindlessly. There can always be some use to a governor.

**bamff** · 07-17-2006, 04:41

Sorry guys - should have been a little more specific....my problem is in MTW, not RTW...

Basically my guy seems to have dropped in acumen and I want to replace him with a more "able" governor...

I recall reading somewhere that I can remove his title, but I can't recall where that was....

**Sensei Warrior** · 07-17-2006, 05:31

I can help out bamff.

You can remove his title by using an emissary. Drop the Emissary on the General, and it will ask, "Do you want to strip this General of his Titles? You say yes, and then when the Emissary gets to the Provence, he will strip the General of his title and give you a message saying that he's been stripped and he's not pleased.

The game suggest he'll suffer a drop in loyalty, but in my and others experience it is just the amount the original Titles gave him. I generally wouldn't worry about him starting a rebellion an time soon.

There is also a horde or other things to do to him. Assassins sometimes do the trick. Inquisitors (both flavors) can try him for heresy, if your Catholic. I believe spies can try him for treason. You could suicide him in a battle somewhere.

BUT THATS NOT ALL!! If he has a high Dread or Piety rating you could strip him and then put him in charge of a Provence that isn't a moneymaker. He'll continue to function at reigning in loyalty (especially in rebellious Provences)and still may get some governing Virtues. You could put him in charge of a Provence with low to no buildings, and then develop it. Virtues he gains from the Builder and Farming lines will also raise productivity in the Provence.

You could give up on his governing ability all together and put him in charge of an army, and start building in up Martially. This will make him useful as well.
I am sure there is more that I can't even think of.

One quick suggestion bamff. You are a Member. You could start posting in the MTW forum. Alot more MTWers cruise the forum there and it will help cut down on helpful RTWers. Not that it matters where you post, I'm sure the newbies need the help too.

**bamff** · 07-17-2006, 06:03

Thanks Sensei for you great info.

I suppose the reason I continue to post in the Entrance Hall is that partly I feel that many of my queries are those of a relative novice; and secondly I wanted to make any responses immediately accessible to the newer folk....who may not venture out into forums that they cannot post in.

Apologies if I caused any confusion.

**Knight Templar** · 07-17-2006, 14:20

There is a one problem with MTW governors - after being a governors for a period of time, your generals will start to get V&V like Gambler, Family favourites, Artisctic leanings, Outlaw, Poor stewart, Exclusive trader, Publicity generous (and many other) which reduce farm and/or trade income. I've read on this forum that you should constantly move your governors, in other words, not allow them to stay in one province too long. However, when your empire gets large, it becomes annoying to worry about 30 or more governors.