middle east updates (part 2)

[solypsist]

So we've got Israel attacking Lebanon. Israel attacking Palestine. Hezbollah attacking Israel. Palestinians attacking Israel. Israel threatening to attack Syria and Iran. Iran meddling in Iraq. The US meddling in Iraq. Lots of terrorists and insurgents targetting the US. The US threatening Iran. Sunnis attacking Shiites. Shiites attacking Sunnis. The US and NATO fighting a resurgant Taliban in Afghanistan. Kurds attacking Turks.

And now, as predicted back when this whole mess was brewing, Turkey threatens to invade Iraq.

Turkish officials signaled Tuesday they are prepared to send the army into northern Iraq if U.S. and Iraqi forces do not take steps to combat Turkish Kurdish guerrillas there _ a move that could put Turkey on a collision course with the United States.

Turkey is facing increasing domestic pressure to act after 15 soldiers, police and guards were killed fighting the guerrillas in southeastern Turkey in the past week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071800823.html

have a good week!

[Vladimir]

And?

[rory_20_uk]

Yup, it's a mess over there. Has been for years. Will be for years. The sooner we get the oil out and let them sink back into the dark ages the better.

Roll on alternative energy! Break the petrolium strangle hold!

[LeftEyeNine]

Oh well, Turkish army going over borders is unavoidable. The latest murders have been "the last drops spilling over the full cup". One of my friend has been drafted as commando a year ago, and he had informed me that the operation was a long planned one, counts for around 6 months or more. The invasion is told to be longing towards Mt. Kandil (sorry I couldn't find a map), and aims to total destruction of all PKK camp concentrations over the mountains.

We are in the mud, anyway.

[Tribesman]

I wonder if Turkey will bomb Baghdad airpot and the docks on the Shatt .
It is their right as a soverign nation isn't it

The middle-east , don't ya just love it .

And now, as predicted back when this whole mess was brewing, Turkey threatens to invade Iraq.

I see the temptation there to rub the pro-war crowds faces in it Soly .
But Turkey is already in Iraq , they have been for about 15 years , and for around 10 of those years they were also bombing Iraq regularly , so it is really nothing new .

[yesdachi]

Turkey should be offering more support and working in conjunction with the US and Iraq forces to quell these guerrillas. IF they don’t get any support from the US or Iraq then they should send in their army. GO TURKEY!

IMO it is the US and Iraq’s responsibility to keep the actions in Iraq under control.

[PanzerJaeger]

The turkish army sent against US forces would be - pardon the pun - a turkey shoot.

Unless they send some sort of guerilla force, a standing, organized army is red meat for the US armed forces.

But hey, if the turks want annihilation a la the Iraqi army circa 1991, go for it.

[Pannonian]

The turkish army sent against US forces would be - pardon the pun - a turkey shoot.

Unless they send some sort of guerilla force, a standing, organized army is red meat for the US armed forces.

But hey, if the turks want annihilation a la the Iraqi army circa 1991, go for it.

If the Turks want to be mischievous, they could invoke article 5 of the NATO treaty and force the US to choose between its Kurdish clients or its Turkish allies. If Turkey can make it stick, I believe the US is legally obliged to join its side, especially after the Turks kept their part of the treaty in the aftermath of 9/11.

[Tribesman]

Unless they send some sort of guerilla force, a standing, organized army is red meat for the US armed forces.

Really Panzer , and where exactly would these US forces be able to deploy from ?
I can see why you like the Third Reich so much , you are a military genius who is on par with its leader .

[Csargo]

Really Panzer , and where exactly would these US forces be able to deploy from ?

Last time I checked the US was already in Iraq. You should really think before you speak.

[Papewaio]

The turkish army sent against US forces would be - pardon the pun - a turkey shoot.

Unless they send some sort of guerilla force, a standing, organized army is red meat for the US armed forces.

But hey, if the turks want annihilation a la the Iraqi army circa 1991, go for it.

If you want to stage Gallopolli II its your choice. Just don't think Australia will be suckered into a second such disaster.

[PanzerJaeger]

Really Panzer , and where exactly would these US forces be able to deploy from ?

Why Tribesbibble, they are already there.

If you want to stage Gallopolli II its your choice. Just don't think Australia will be suckered into a second such disaster.

I did not suggest an invasion of Turkey, only that any invasion into Iraq by a turkish army would be crushed.

[Pannonian]

Why Tribesbibble, they are already there.

I did not suggest an invasion of Turkey, only that any invasion into Iraq by a turkish army would be crushed.

By whom? Their American allies?

Remember that Turkey is a US ally within NATO. Remember article 5 of the Washington treaty that treats an attack on any member of NATO as an attack on all members of NATO. Remember that Turkey discharged their duties per the alliance when they sent troops to Afghanistan after the article was invoked for the only time in its history for the 9/11 attacks. Remember the US has given its full backing to Israel for similarly retaliating against attacks on its sovereign territory (invading Lebanon to boot).

If you are suggesting that US forces be used to crush Turkish forces sent into Iraq, you are suggesting extreme treachery, a war against a formal ally. Don't expect anyone to believe a word you say after that, and don't be surprised if your other allies hurriedly seek alliances elsewhere with countries they can better trust.

[PanzerJaeger]

By whom? Their American allies?

Remember that Turkey is a US ally within NATO. Remember article 5 of the Washington treaty that treats an attack on any member of NATO as an attack on all members of NATO. Remember that Turkey discharged their duties per the alliance when they sent troops to Afghanistan after the article was invoked for the only time in its history for the 9/11 attacks. Remember the US has given its full backing to Israel for similarly retaliating against attacks on its sovereign territory (invading Lebanon to boot).

If you are suggesting that US forces be used to crush Turkish forces sent into Iraq, you are suggesting extreme treachery, a war against a formal ally. Don't expect anyone to believe a word you say after that, and don't be surprised if your other allies hurriedly seek alliances elsewhere with countries they can better trust.

Turkey, sending troops to invade a nation already occupied by the United States, would be the treacherous party, unless an agreement to work together or avoid each other was reached.

I think US allies would see the situation in that light as well.

[Tribesman]

Last time I checked the US was already in Iraq. You should really think before you speak.
Yes csar , but they have their hands full at the moment , they are not in the North in any numbers and no way would the Iranian backed majority government give permission .
Besides which could you possibly see congress giving backing to any action against one of your allies in a fight against terrorists that are on your governments list of nasty groups .
So it is you who should think young man .

Tribesbibble
Thats a very good one Panzer , did you get someone to help you with that or did you manage all by yourself , you really are a clever boy .