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    Ghost, at all costs, Hezbullah primary targets are military.. I see more Israeli military dead than Hezbullah ones, why? Israel has a better ability to target it's missiles and believe me, hitting the bridges, electricity stations, gas stations, etc.. isn't killing Hezbullah soldiers. I think Hezbullah now is just launching missiles for the heck of it.. Why? It all started liked this: Hezbullah captured the 2 soldiers, and asked for a trade for many other Lebanese captives (He actually said Arabs (Nasrullah), no matter what religion, be that christians, muslims, etc..), Israel attacked, but attacked what? The airport, some gas stations and mainly killed only civilians.. Now to your thought, what would the proper Hezbullah re-action be? Try to aim his Katyushas on the Israeli F16's? For your info also, he did bomb the northern air-force Israeli HQ, and a lot of Israeli Artillery sites..
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    Quote Originally Posted by x-dANGEr
    Ghost, at all costs, Hezbullah primary targets are military.. I see more Israeli military dead than Hezbullah ones, why? Israel has a better ability to target it's missiles and believe me, hitting the bridges, electricity stations, gas stations, etc.. isn't killing Hezbullah soldiers. I think Hezbullah now is just launching missiles for the heck of it.. Why? It all started liked this: Hezbullah captured the 2 soldiers, and asked for a trade for many other Lebanese captives (He actually said Arabs (Nasrullah), no matter what religion, be that christians, muslims, etc..), Israel attacked, but attacked what? The airport, some gas stations and mainly killed only civilians.. Now to your thought, what would the proper Hezbullah re-action be? Try to aim his Katyushas on the Israeli F16's? For your info also, he did bomb the northern air-force Israeli HQ, and a lot of Israeli Artillery sites..
    Please identify for me the military targets in Haifa and Nazareth.

    Just because Hezbollah have also attacked artillery sites doesn't expiate their guilt for making things worse in killing civilians - words that apply just as much to Israel. Both sides are behaving deplorably.

    I know how it started. Hezbollah was entirely in the wrong and knew very well what would happen - though perhaps not the extent of the over-reaction. They're paymasters in Syria must be very pleased.

    Since you ask, the proper Hezbullah reaction would be to release the soldiers they abducted and to stop attacking Israeli cities. Then get the hell out of Lebanon, to which they have brought so much grief.
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    Cegorach polish brother - speak for yourself :)
    In my opinion some parts of Iraq resistance might be called partisans.
    In Lebanon Israel behaves like terrorists. There is no difference.

    I will tell my opinion. This country don't fight for it's existence. They want more and more ground because they got kind of phobia. It's holocaust fobia.
    After holocaust Jews still can't understand why so many Jews died so easy.
    So that they are still afraid that holocaust might be repeated.
    Thats why they want destroy everyone who got other minds than Jews.
    As for now it works great but....
    when Israel lost his 1st war it will be end of that country. And no one will be crying over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrooK
    Cegorach polish brother - speak for yourself :)
    In my opinion some parts of Iraq resistance might be called partisans.
    In Lebanon Israel behaves like terrorists. There is no difference.

    I will tell my opinion. This country don't fight for it's existence. They want more and more ground because they got kind of phobia. It's holocaust fobia.
    After holocaust Jews still can't understand why so many Jews died so easy.
    So that they are still afraid that holocaust might be repeated.
    Thats why they want destroy everyone who got other minds than Jews.
    As for now it works great but....
    when Israel lost his 1st war it will be end of that country. And no one will be crying over it.
    You seem to have missed the withdrawal from Gaza and parts of the West Bank. You also probably don't remember that they gave Sinai back to Egypt and could have easily taken Damascus and Cairo. If you're trying to equate this to some European land grab, nibbling certain pieces of land from your neighbors, the facts are not in your favor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KrooK
    Cegorach polish brother - speak for yourself :)
    In my opinion some parts of Iraq resistance might be called partisans.
    In Lebanon Israel behaves like terrorists. There is no difference.


    ===========> Oh, there is unless you are assuming that they want to destroy Lebanon and kill as many civilians as possible - you cannot ignore missiles launched on your teritory after all, the question how to achieve it is a different one.

    I will tell my opinion. This country don't fight for it's existence. They want more and more ground because they got kind of phobia. It's holocaust fobia.
    After holocaust Jews still can't understand why so many Jews died so easy.
    So that they are still afraid that holocaust might be repeated.
    Thats why they want destroy everyone who got other minds than Jews.
    As for now it works great but....
    when Israel lost his 1st war it will be end of that country. And no one will be crying over it.

    Yes, Jews the imperialist scum...

    You do forget that they already retreated from the territories they took and that literally EVERY war was in defence of Israel and for Israel's survival.
    The fact that Arab states cannot defeat them is their problem.
    I wonder what would happen without Israel here ?
    It is quite simple the fighting will continue this time Sunni vs. Shia with some christian factor as well. Middle East has been very violate region for much of its history anyway.
    And who would weep - we and Jew share common history and the world would be much darker place without their imput if you ask me.

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    Cegorach:
    It is quite simple the fighting will continue this time Sunni vs. Shia with some christian factor as well. Middle East has been very violate region for much of its history anyway.
    Most of the violation always came from over seas .. Or, from over the sea
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    Quote Originally Posted by cegorach1
    Yes, Jews the imperialist scum...

    You do forget that they already retreated from the territories they took and that literally EVERY war was in defence of Israel and for Israel's survival.
    The fact that Arab states cannot defeat them is their problem.
    I wonder what would happen without Israel here ?
    It is quite simple the fighting will continue this time Sunni vs. Shia with some christian factor as well. Middle East has been very violate region for much of its history anyway.
    And who would weep - we and Jew share common history and the world would be much darker place without their imput if you ask me.
    They haven't fully withdrawn from the West Bank and it wasn't popular.

    Have you noticed how in every war Isreal takes more land?

    This whole thing might just be an excuse to start another war and take back what they just gave up. Then the Right wing lot in Isreal can turn around and say, "Look what happenes when we're nice!"

    Common history with the Jews? You mean lots of them used to live in Europe? Well absolutely, and I suppose the Crusades do not represent common history between Christianity and Islam.

    The world really would be a darker place without that interaction.
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    The world would be a really lighter place if the Mongols hadn't attacked Baghdad.. Or in better words, hadn't thrown the books of it's great library in Al-Furat.. It is said that that incident had brought techonology back 1000 years, but I think that is so over it, so 500 would be a better guess.. (When that incident is described, you'd see the line : "The river turned black from the ink..")
    "Cry, the beloved country, for the unborn child that is the inheritor of our fear. Let him not love the earth too deeply. Let him not laugh too gladly when the water runs through his fingers, nor stand too silent when the setting sun makes red the veld with fire. Let him not be moved when the birds of his land are singing, nor give too much of his heart to a mountain or a valley. For fear will rob him of all if he gives too much."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
    Please identify for me the military targets in Haifa and Nazareth.

    Just because Hezbollah have also attacked artillery sites doesn't expiate their guilt for making things worse in killing civilians - words that apply just as much to Israel. Both sides are behaving deplorably.

    I know how it started. Hezbollah was entirely in the wrong and knew very well what would happen - though perhaps not the extent of the over-reaction. They're paymasters in Syria must be very pleased.

    Since you ask, the proper Hezbullah reaction would be to release the soldiers they abducted and to stop attacking Israeli cities. Then get the hell out of Lebanon, to which they have brought so much grief.
    So, why do Israel has the right to attack Lebanon (Yes Lebanon, they're destroying Lebanon, not Hezbullah)? Because Hezbullah captured two soldiers.. Then, doesn't Lebanon (Or in this case Hezbullah) have the right to attack Israel because it has thousands of civilians captured? And doesn't every other country that also has captives in Israel have the right to do so? (There are 56 Jordanian captives, hundreds of Egyptians, and let's not talk about how many thousands of Palestinians.. )
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    "Cry, the beloved country, for the unborn child that is the inheritor of our fear. Let him not love the earth too deeply. Let him not laugh too gladly when the water runs through his fingers, nor stand too silent when the setting sun makes red the veld with fire. Let him not be moved when the birds of his land are singing, nor give too much of his heart to a mountain or a valley. For fear will rob him of all if he gives too much."

    Cry, the Beloved Country by Alan Paton.

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    This is dated but it makes my point regardless (July 18th or so)...

    Most news organizations gave the death toll breakdowns...

    Israel attacks on Lebanon: "230 dead, most of them civilians"
    Hezbollah attacks on Israel: "25 dead, 13 civilians"
    Israel attacks on Gaza: "103 dead, 70% militants"

    Now, earlier I had stated that there was nothing wrong in the invasion itself (there also is nothing wrong with Arabs invading Israel; I could care less if Israel existed or not), but that the civilians killed by both sides would show the evil that they harbor...

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