Macedonia article, its archaeological..nothing to do with politics

[Red Peasant]

I was put off by the very first claims in the article, which are rubbish. The Macedonians were not excluded from the Olympic Games for so long because the Greeks thought they were too big, scary or strong, but because they were not considered to be Hellenes . The royal family eventually got round this by claiming that they were descended from some people from Argos, which was probably a spurious connection but they used their political and financial clout at the time (i.e. they greased a few palms) to get their entry rubber-stamped.

[rotorgun]

An impressive collection of artifacts all the same. I wish they might have dwelled on them a bit more in the short videos provided. More and more is being discovered each year which sheds light on the History of Macedonia during the 4th century BC. Fascinating!

[Avicenna]

I pity these people who know nothing about history, yet spout rubbish. It only serves to ridicule themselves.

Let's take a look at some rubbish claims by the guy:
- Hellenes didn't allow them because they were too strong, since they were descendants of Zeus.
Read RP's post. Anyway, Alexander's the descendant of Zeus, not all of Macedonia. The Spartans are as well.
- Macedonia was the first world empire
Achaemenid Empire anyone?
- Alexander was a conqueror before Philip's death
Philip did the conquering, Alexander served under, or at most, alongside him.
- He enabled Iran+Iraq+Egypt to live together in abundance
Right, conquering the people and wiping out lots of their young men is sure abundance. I'm pretty certain that they'd be in a better condition under the Persians. Anyhow, they soon split into Selucid+Ptolemaic.

[rotorgun]

I pity these people who know nothing about history, yet spout rubbish. It only serves to ridicule themselves.

Let's take a look at some rubbish claims by the guy:
- Hellenes didn't allow them because they were too strong, since they were descendants of Zeus.
Read RP's post. Anyway, Alexander's the descendant of Zeus, not all of Macedonia. The Spartans are as well.
- Macedonia was the first world empire
Achaemenid Empire anyone?
- Alexander was a conqueror before Philip's death
Philip did the conquering, Alexander served under, or at most, alongside him.
- He enabled Iran+Iraq+Egypt to live together in abundance
Right, conquering the people and wiping out lots of their young men is sure abundance. I'm pretty certain that they'd be in a better condition under the Persians. Anyhow, they soon split into Selucid+Ptolemaic.

Oh I quite agree with you Tiberius. I didn't mean to imply that I took any of this man's claims seriously, but that he did have some impressive artifacts. It is a shame that he is such a poor student of his main object of study. I suspect that he is driven by some political agenda which moves him to draw such absurd conclusions. This is to say nothing of this Richard Bang fellow, who seems to be a sort of sycophant to Mr. Pasko Kuzman. I wonder if there isn't some romantic connection between them?

[Seleukos]

The Macedonians were not excluded from the Olympic Games for so long because the Greeks thought they were too big, scary or strong, but because they were not considered to be Hellenes .

1)So long? The establishment of the Macedonian kingdom doesnt go before 650 BC.Then it was a small area including Emathia-some 1/10 or even less of modern Greek Macedonia (!)
The first Macedon King who took place in the Olypmic games was Alexander I -after 490.-the one who made Macedonia a real kingdom.

2)I wont get into this debate again.

3)The article is funny.
Its headline : Lake Ohrid 360 BC -In fact the Illyrians have captured this region at this time ,as well as upper Macedonia (modern Western Macedonia/Greece) and after a couple of years crushed Macedonian army of Perdikkas II,brother of Philip II.
Only after 356, lake Ohrid was reconquered by Philip II.

[The Blind Samurai]

1)So long? The establishment of the Macedonian kingdom doesnt go before 650 BC.Then it was a small area including Emathia-some 1/10 or even less of modern Greek Macedonia (!)
The first Macedon King who took place in the Olypmic games was Alexander I -after 490.-the one who made Macedonia a real kingdom.

2)I wont get into this debate again.

3)The article is funny.
Its headline : Lake Ohrid 360 BC -In fact the Illyrians have captured this region at this time ,as well as upper Macedonia (modern Western Macedonia/Greece) and after a couple of years crushed Macedonian army of Perdikkas II,brother of Philip II.
Only after 356, lake Ohrid was reconquered by Philip II.

Ahhhhhhh Macedonia is not greece its just macedonia why cant you people understand that

[AntiochusIII]

Ahhhhhhh Macedonia is not greece its just macedonia why cant you people understand that

Which Macedonia are you talking about?

Ancient Makedon? Or the modern FYROM?

[The Blind Samurai]

modern

[AntiochusIII]

modern

Well, that is obvious enough. They are two seperate countries and, if my impression is correct, hate each other's guts.

But the article in this thread is factually false. Modern FYROM has much less to do with the ancient Macedonian Empire than, say, Islamic Egypt to the Pharaohs. The region went through so many frequent, turbulent, and massive upheavals throughout history that the region is now far more Slavic culturally and ethnically than, say, Doric. That doesn't mean they can't make Alexander their National Hero if they want to, though.

[The Blind Samurai]

it is proven the macedonins today are descednt from alexanders macedions