Polished or unpolished?

[edyzmedieval]

It's time for the fans to choose if they still want to wait for a stable and very good build, or they want only a stable build, but to be released now.

The simple reason: The fans have waited very long for the 0.8 version, and we don't want the fans to wait too much.

Choose: Now or Later.

Now - Stable 1.5 build, some key features missing, might have some problems
Later- Totally stable 1.5 build, all key features implemented, one step closer to the final finish.

[Geoffrey S]

Sounds like you're missing the point. Sure, a stable build is great, but it sounds like the EB team is still working on incorporating fundamental features into the 1.5 build. Next release certainly doesn't need to be CTD free, nor is it likely to be, but there's no point releasing a game missing key features such as the government and recruiting system.

Besides, whatever happens is up to the EB team, and I'm sure they'll release their work when they're satisfied the people who play the mod will be satisfied. No sooner.

[Cybvep]

What do you mean by "later"? It's important...

EDIT: You can always call it v0.79, BTW :P.

[Ergion]

Imo the best and faster way for obtain a very polished build, is release before a not totally polished (and open) build.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Note that when eddyz says 'time for the fans to choose', it may be fine for him to put a poll up, but that doesn't mean the team has asked for a poll to actually determine the matter. eddyz get's a little poll-happy from time to time methinks.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

polished completely but not as polished so that its EB 1.0!

[stalin]

I've played vanilla two weeks now without a single CTD

[Celareon]

I want the time to enjoy EB 0.8, I've been waiting a long time for EB, since before RTW came out but classes begin again in 3-4 weeks and i will have no time to play at all, not to mention MTW II will come out and eb isn't even 1.0 yet, there has to be a line drawn before 0.8 becomes 1.0. If the build will be very incomplete without recruitment then of course wait but if its nearly feature complete and almost-bug-free then why not - it's still a beta after all, I can't play 0.74 due to crashes so i'm sure more anxious then some.

[-Praetor-]

Hi.

I think that the most eclectic solution is the released of the actual version, the unpolished one.

Since there are a lot of people that want to play a polished version of EB, they can choose not to install the unpolished version at all, and wait for the polished version. And all the people that want to play EB 0.8 right now, they can play it with all the bugs and CTDs at their own risk.

By releasing 0.8 later, and following the "Polished Completely" side, you leave a substantial group of Eb fans needlessy insatisfied.

In addition (and most important), you despise all the help that the EB followers may give in order to find and stomp the CTDs and other minor bugs.

Wisest and most eclectic solution is releasing the unpolished version of the beta in the shortest of terms.

Bye.

[Idomeneas]

I will speak as a person familiar with graphics as profession, modding and follower of the course of EB almost from the beginning.

Personally i would like not a polished, but an ultra polished mod. EB is being developed for over 2 years now. I understand why is that. The will for a perfect product in combination with hardcode and many problems that occur in modding teams in general for various reasons can delay the project. But fo those 2 years we hear announcements talking about great innovations, great expectations and so on. So thats all i want. I waited all this time and i wanna be amazed as i was promised. I dont even want 0.8, 0.9 or 0.88757578 versions. I dont care about half working stuff. Take your time and just one day release a final bug free version and amaze us.

Given the chance i wanna say something and please dont take it wrong. When i first saw EB being developed i thought its units were amazing comparing to the borring old vanilla. Then i didnt know much about how far modding can get. As time gonne by i saw other mods emerging and the quality of their units as models and skins made my favourite EB abit pale. So i started noticing that many EB units are very familliar with the vanilla ones or just a reskin while there could be more potentials.

I like very much the work of dirty peasent in CTW, i like the work of Caius in some Crusader TW units, i absolutely love Blue lotus as whole.

I see now some old EB preview and i catch myself thinking '' this could be better''. Not for all factions. The celtics, germanics and easterners look very good. Romans are good but some Greek factions really need improvement. Everytime i see those corinthians with the emboss snake on shield or the lack of a better attic helmet im abit disappointed.

My suggestion is that since you are very busy with mechanics and coding have your 2d-3d people check all units once more and make improvements.

Sorry if this isnt an OMG post but those dont really help in anything do they?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Actually Idomeneas, Spartan Warrior has been going over a lot of older units and retouching them up. He submitted 15 new thureophoroi variations (not new, but made them better) as well as a ton of lower phalangites and the taxeis hoplitai too. Forgus has worked on a lot of the peltastai as well and has been doing a great job with skirmishers all across the east. With Spirit of Rob's wonderful work on both elite phalangites and hoplites, and a number of other regional units the hellenic factions should have access to pretty quickly, I'm expecting a lot out of our new units for 0.8 for the hellenic factions.

[econ21]

My bottomline would be that the next version be stable. The reinforcement battle crash bug rendered v0.72 and v0.74 versions ultimately unplayable for me. I know that's far from a uniform experience, but I also know my experience is not unique. I don't mind stuff being unfinished, but having to fight the same battle N times over and being rewarded with a crash is pretty dispiriting.

I guess I'm saying "take your time".

[Musopticon?]

My bottomline would be that the next version be stable. The reinforcement battle crash bug rendered v0.72 and v0.74 versions ultimately unplayable for me. I know that's far from a uniform experience, but I also know my experience is not unique. I don't mind stuff being unfinished, but having to fight the same battle N times over and being rewarded with a crash is pretty dispiriting.

I guess I'm saying "take your time".

Totally agree.

I have the same exact gamekilling bug and have so far not started any new campaigns when my favorite campaign was killed by this bug. I'd really really like to play as Aedui, but the CTD seems too random to be easily avoidable. Or at least avoidable enough for me to not get stuck.

So I'm kinda sorta wainting for EB 0.8 now.

[Jarardo]

Wow, suprising results

[Redigo]

It's funny -- two months ago I would've said "gimme," but now that I've been waiting this long I really want to see an excellent release. I check this forum every couple of days now just to keep up on the 0.8 news -- it's become a fetish object for me.

To the EB guys: thanks for giving me the most engrossing gaming experience I've had since my NES days. EB is already a staggering achievement.

[Dayve]

Being an obsessive compulsive clean freak perfectionist, i find myself not able to enjoy EB in its current state because i cannot put units with a grey peasant unit card into my army, and a LOT of units have that card. You might say, it's easy, just put the unit in there and forget about its card being a grey peasant, but i can't... I can't recruit them and i can't use them in battles, so i would rather wait another year for a polished version.

However, if a version were to be released with the unit cards done, then i'd download that and play it happily... It's just the unit cards... My mind won't allow me to use grey peasant unit cards...

[Ergion]

Being an obsessive compulsive clean freak perfectionist, i find myself not able to enjoy EB in its current state because i cannot put units with a grey peasant unit card into my army, and a LOT of units have that card. You might say, it's easy, just put the unit in there and forget about its card being a grey peasant, but i can't... I can't recruit them and i can't use them in battles, so i would rather wait another year for a polished version.

However, if a version were to be released with the unit cards done, then i'd download that and play it happily... It's just the unit cards... My mind won't allow me to use grey peasant unit cards...

But mate, as K-raso said, nobody will force you to download and play with the not totally polished version, you can wait for the following "totally polished build".

[Magnificant me]

I agree with some here, with a public biuld out there the remaining bugs will be rooted out and dealt with faster and the end product will be that much closer and that much better for it. I think an open beta kind of thing is in order here.