The Jews

[Horatius]

I have a good historical idea for how to make religion somewhat more interesting.

Why not have the Jews in the game as a game feature?

My idea is simple.

You as the king are permitted to either expell the Jews in your country and gain popularity for doing it (Provided you are either Muslim or Christian of course, sorry Aztecs) or keep them as is maintaining the status quo, or invite more Jews into your country which sacrifices popularity among the people, but your income gets higher because Jews alone where permitted to do usury.

It could even be made different for each faction according to the countries historical relationships with Jews to make it more historically accurate, for example the popularity bonus/penalty could be higher for the French then it is for the Dutch. You could also build different levels of Synogogues this way as a show of your tolerance which also helps economically at the cost of your popularity.

Obviously the religious diversity in the county would also hurt the way it did in RTW BI.

So what do you think?

[Bar Kochba]

i would like a country to be able to adopt judasim aswell or a country to be able to adopt orthodox from chatholic or muslim from orthdox and vice versa that was something that annoyed me about BI u could only either be pagan or christian

[Lord Godfrey]

While historically correct, the game may get some bad press from the politically correct crowd if you have the option of expelling a group based on religion. Of course it really isn't any worse than launching a crusade or jihad.

[Fwapper]

Ooooooooh... I doubt that I will see this. Too politically risky... bad press...

Not a chance.... (Now it'll be just my luck, and I'll turn out to be wrong. Lets hope everyone has forgotten this thread)

[Horatius]

I know you guys are right about pc, however we can always hope for a miracle and for this or something like this to be implemented, afterall what better way to teach children the conditions Jews lived in during Medieval Times then to have them see it in simple terms for themselves?

Well I will rant more about the extreme left later, however here is more to my suggestion, that I think may appease even the biggest PC Inquisitor (I am glad there are none here).

As well as effecting the nations economy and your governments popularity your stance towards the Jews can also give you character attributes

Expell Jews once=anti-semite(This man allows his hatred for the Jewish Faith to undermine his judgement and ability)=-1 acumen

Expell Jews twice=sickly anti-semitic (This man's hate for the Jews as well as for the faith is always on his mind and regularly effects many important decisions)=-2 acumen -1 command

and the character penalty for being an anti-semite goes up etc etc etc each time you expell Jews, however everytime you admit Jews back into your realm you go back down the hate ladder, and if you admit Jews lets say after the first time you expell them you lose the anti-semite trait entirely.

So what do you think, with the anti-semite trait added will this suggestion be more acceptable?

[Furious Mental]

I don't think there should be a special system for dealing with Jewish populations. It should just be part of a general system of state control of religion, i.e. tolerance versus coercion. Tolerance should encourage growth of foreign mercantile enclaves but imposing the state religion should curry favour from religious zealots (and the Pope if one's faction is Catholic). Agreeing to tolerate or destroy certain religions should also form part of diplomacy.

[The Wizard]

Of course it really isn't any worse than launching a crusade or jihad.

And this should be the core of the argument. If you can kill in the name of Holy God, then why can you not exile in His name?

But, agreed, a publisher like SEGA with its history will never -- and I mean never -- have this get through the gauntlet known as quality assurance. A pity. A game claiming to be historic should show history as it was, in all its facets, both beautiful and ugly.

sunsmountain: A little advice for you, for in the future when you concern yourself once more with matters of history. Hindsight is a blight. Modern thoughts, ideals, and points of view have no place in the Middle Ages, or indeed any time before the conception of these ideas.

[LeftEyeNine]

Hindsight is a blight. Modern thoughts, ideals, and points of view have no place in the Middle Ages, or indeed any time before the conception of these ideas.

One of the biggest pitfalls that many members get trapped here -especially in Monastery. Excellent statement, TheWizard.

[Dead_Like_Me]

well i agree with the press .. this wont give a good look although its a nice idea.

you cannot ignore jews in medival times. they there thanx to the roman empire every where around europe which gave them a huge advantage in business.
the jews in the medival times where leaving around in small groups which gave them a new title ... being a jewish. this title got them to the level of royal family and some times higher by having infulnce on kings them selfs. the kings of medival time liked jews because of there connections and there educations. in the old times the educated ones were priests royal and jews. so they were like a special resource but they where hated by the common people by doing the money collections for the kings.

so basically you kinda right if there this options then you probably be right at that point.
by the way the jews were hated mostly because very high presantage of them were rich and the chuch kept saying they killed jesus. so they were fucked at that time ... :) but at least they had good short life. for example : york jewish community.

but if they will add jews i would like to see it as a religioun and not a resource.
besides if it doesnt affect the city religion... probably all people will invite jews as they are after all was very usefull people at the old times. and that way it doesnt make more deph except some happiness points.

so in my opinion they should be added but and maybe affect the economy but not like that way ... only by religion.