American busted doping in Tour De Wussie...

**Devastatin Dave** · 07-27-2006, 17:16

I say let them dope it up. All this testing is just a wasted since they're just going to find another screen to cover it. Free the Dopers!!!

**Don Corleone** · 07-27-2006, 17:18

You all will have to pardon DevDave. He's clearly getting his sports ethics lessons from Major League Baseball (couldn't resist).

**Devastatin Dave** · 07-27-2006, 17:25

Ouch!!!

**Louis VI the Fat** · 07-27-2006, 17:55

The whole thing begs for artificial means, what with having people ride a bicycle for three weeks, thousands of kilometers, uphill, in a blazing sun, hours on end. I don't think anybody has been clean in the Tour for decades and frankly, I don't care.

I actually agree with Dave. Just stop the charade and let them use their dope, as in baseball. The Tour is not a sport, it is medical science. Every bloody Tour there is a doping scandal, it is destroying the sport more than just being honest about it would.

Oh and Armstrong. I'm sorry, but, first, he's this 26 year old, average cyclists. Then he get's cancer, which is treated with all sorts of whacko sci-fi therapies. Then, all of a sudden, out of the blue, *poof* he's this superhuman sportsman. Not better than everybody else, but totally, utterly, completely beyond anything the world has ever seen. The difference between Lance and the second best rider being bigger than the difference between that second-best and me.

Now I'm all for fairy tales and stuff, and his story sure would make a nice Disney movie and all, but come on...
Things that are too good to be true usually aren't.

**Don Corleone** · 07-27-2006, 18:05

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Oh and Armstrong. I'm sorry, but, first, he's this 26 year old, average cyclists. Then he get's cancer, which is treated with all sorts of whacko sci-fi therapies. Then, all of a sudden, out of the blue, *poof* he's this superhuman sportsman. Not better than everybody else, but totally, utterly, completely beyond anything the world has ever seen. The difference between Lance and the second best rider being bigger than the difference between that second-best and me.

Now I'm all for fairy tales and stuff, and his story sure would make a nice Disney movie and all, but come on...
Things that are too good to be true usually aren't.

Louis, old friend, with all the tests Lance Armstrong was subjected to over the years, surely you can provide at least one verifably irregular result?

**Ronin** · 07-27-2006, 18:20

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Louis, old friend, with all the tests Lance Armstrong was subjected to over the years, surely you can provide at least one verifably irregular result?

I´m sure you know that at the same time that there are people working to make better dopping tests....there are people making better dopping drugs so that they don´t show up on the tests....

the guys that are caught are just the ones that fall behind on the scientific race going on here...

it is my opinion that the entire peloton must be on drugs.....these kind of feats just aren´t humanly and physically possible....

when I see a 300 pound mountain of muscle on the WWE I don´t need a test to be able to tell you that it wasn´t obtained by natural methods....when I look at what these guys do on the tour I feel the same way.

This isn´t to bad mouth Lance or anything....after all...if everyone is taking drugs....the guy that comes in in first place is still going to be the best of them...even if he´s taking them too.

I agree with what was said before...it would be better for the sport to just come clean and say they´re ok with it.

**Don Corleone** · 07-27-2006, 18:29

Okay, well, if this is the standard we apply to suspicions, then I would like to announce my own foregone conclusion that I have recently reached:

All Europeans are psychologically ill.

Now, I don't have any proof for this statement, but that's because you're all wiley enough to outfox the psychologists in the diagnosis interview. As soon as they come up with new questions, you come up with new ways of answering them, so we can never really be certain of your sanity. I mean, come on, just look at you guys. Anybody can tell... and proven facts be damned, we all know you're unhinged loons. Every last one of you. The ones that actually get institutionalized are just the ones who didn't read the right website on how to keep up with the answers to avoid diagnois

Let's just get it out in the open and quit denying it.

The nice thing about my foregone conclusion, and your own, is that we don't need to trouble ourselves with those annoying little fact thingys. We can just speculate away and let our imaginations take us where they will.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 07-27-2006, 19:10

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Louis, old friend, with all the tests Lance Armstrong was subjected to over the years, surely you can provide at least one verifably irregular result?

No, I can't provide a positive result, sue me.

Most of Armstrong's competitors have been found guilty. Now, what are the odds of Armstrong not only being way better than everybody else, but also being clean AND still being way better than all his dope-snorting competitors?

He would beat them all fair and square if nobody used dope, and he would beat them all if everybody used dope. But could he have beaten them all, nay, demolished them like he did, if he was clean and most everybody else was not? Sorry, but I don't think so.

Like Ronin said, if all are equally guilty, that means Lance is still the best. I won't take that away from him.