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Crazed Rabbit 17:49 07-29-2006
From:http://www.bellinghamherald.com/apps...0333/1001/NEWS
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Deadly Seattle rampage kills one, wounds five
Gunman claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel


TIM BOOTH
ASSOCIATED PRESS

SEATTLE - A gunman who claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel killed one woman and wounded five others Friday afternoon at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, and police arrested the man they believe was the shooter.
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Deadly Seattle rampage kills one, wounds five
Gunman claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel


TIM BOOTH
ASSOCIATED PRESS
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SEATTLE - A gunman who claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel killed one woman and wounded five others Friday afternoon at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, and police arrested the man they believe was the shooter.
The gunman forced his way through the security door at the federation after an employee had punched in her security code, Marla Meislin-Dietrich, a database coordinator for the center, told The Associated Press.
"He said 'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,' before opening fire on everyone," Meislin-Dietrich said. "He was randomly shooting at everyone."
Booked into jail late Friday night on suspicion of homicide and attempted homicide was Naveed Afzal Haq.
Asked if the suspect was a Muslim, Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske told an evening news conference "you could infer that that was his background."
Haq, 30, previously lived in Pasco, one of southeast Washington's Tri-Cities, Seattle police said in a statement released late Friday night. The Seattle Times reported Haq had lived most recently in Everett, north of Seattle, but police could not confirm that.
Haq had a misdemeanor lewd conduct charge pending in Benton County, near Pasco, where he was accused of exposing himself in a public place, his Kennewick attorney, Larry Stephenson, told The Times.
Haq's parents were shaken by his arrest in the shootings, the lawyer said.
"I talked to his father, and his mother is crying, and they don't know what is going on," Stephenson said. "They are very, very shook up."
Stephenson said he does not believe Haq had a job.
One woman died at the scene and five others were under treatment at Harborview Medical Center, Kerlikowske said.
When the shots rang out around 4 p.m. Friday, employees fled the center in terror as nearby police officers charged to the scene and blocked off several downtown blocks.
The gunman turned himself in to a SWAT team just minutes after the shooting began. He spoke with a 911 dispatcher, a phone call that led police to tag the shooting as a hate crime. Mayor Greg Nickels and Kerlikowske said officers were moving to protect both synagogues and mosques around the city, but said there was no evidence of a broad conspiracy.
"This was a purposeful, hateful act, as far as we know by an individual acting on his own," Nickels said.
Kerlikowske said they were protecting mosques "because there's always the concern of retaliatory crime."
Laura Laughlin, special agent in charge of the Seattle FBI office, said the arrested man was a U.S. citizen and agents were working to contact his relatives.
Authorities have been advising synagogues and Jewish groups to be watchful in the weeks since hostilities erupted between Israel and Lebanon. Assistant Police Chief Nick Metz said the warning was not in response to any specific threats.
Three of the injured women were in critical condition after being shot in the abdomen, hospital spokeswoman Pamela Steele said. Two others were in satisfactory condition: a 37-year-old woman, five months pregnant, who had been shot in the forearm; and another woman who was shot in the knee, Steele said.
Several witnesses said they saw a man walk up and shoot a woman in the leg on a sidewalk near the federation building. One witness, who refused to give his name, said that shooting was just outside a nearby Starbucks. There was a small pool of blood outside that coffee shop.
Police evacuated several nearby buildings as SWAT teams searched the federation building, looking for any other victims, anyone hiding or any other possible shooters.
Patti Simon was at work at the federation's newspaper on the first floor when she heard screaming, shots and what sounded like furniture crashing on the floor above.
"We heard this horrible screaming on the floor above us and shots," said Simon, 52, who sells advertising at the paper. Simon called up to her co-workers on the second floor, but got no answer, so she called the police and fled the building.
"People got shot, some of our co-workers," Simon said, her voice shaking. "I just got back from Israel and made it out of there a half hour before the rockets started."
The federation's Web site describes its mission as "to ensure Jewish survival and enhance the quality of Jewish life by meeting needs locally, in Israel and worldwide." It was among sponsors of a Solidarity With Israel rally last weekend.


Sounds like an angry young unemployed man. They don't say which mosque he attended, or if he did, but I would suspect he did. Too bad the SWAT didn't end it then and there at the center. Would've saved a lot of legal fees. Though, perhaps, we will get to see the disturbing thought behind home-grown radical Islam inspired terror. Discusssion Question: Did the stream of hate pouring from some Muslims (Mostly outside the US...I think) regarding Israel affect his decision?

Oh, and you have to love the idiot Police Chief's comments:
PC "I got my gun stolen mommy"
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Kerlikowske said they were protecting mosques "because there's always the concern of retaliatory crime."
Right. I bet there's a huge chance of that. I would like to hear the 911 call the murderer made, however.

Though, if you think all terror is because of America's backing of Israel, this makes more sense* than bombing a nightclub full of Australians in Indonesia.

EDIT: More on the murderer, Naveed Afzal Haq:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...oting29m1.html

Crazed Rabbit
*In a non-sensical sort of way.

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Reenk Roink 17:54 07-29-2006
Disgusting...

Reeks of the hate crimes after 9-11...

Does Washington have the death penalty?

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Crazed Rabbit 18:02 07-29-2006
I think we do have Capital Punishment in Washington.

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Reeks of the hate crimes after 9-11...
I believe more people got shot there then in every anti-Muslim hate crime after 9/11. Not surprising, considering the hype around a few incidents, though one man was tragically killed.

And I dare say it is an example of homegrown terror and the far and convoluted reach of Islamic terror.

EDIT: Video of the murderer being handcuffed.


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Reenk Roink 18:09 07-29-2006
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit:
I think we do have Capital Punishment in Washington.
Certainly the premeditated nature of the crime, along with the hate motive warrants it...

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit:
I believe more people got shot there then in every anti-Muslim hate crime after 9/11. Not surprising, considering the hype around a few incidents, though one man was tragically killed.
I posted a list of crimes after 9-11 in a thread long ago, but suffice to say, there were several murders and about a score or so attempted murders only weeks after 9-11. Most of the crimes were vandalism of mosques...

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit:
And I dare say it is an example of homegrown terror and the far and convoluted reach of Islamic terror.
Well, I don't know about that:

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David Gomez, the assistant special agent-in-charge of the Seattle FBI office, said there is "nothing to indicate he is part of a larger organization."

"We believe he is a lone individual with antagonism toward this organization," said Gomez.
He also doesn't seem to be a devout Muslim by any stretch:

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Haq had been charged with misdemeanor lewd conduct in Benton County for allegedly exposing himself in a public place in Kennewick, Stephenson said. He declined to elaborate. The charge is punishable by up to a year in jail.
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Haq's father, Mian A. Haq, was a founding member of the Islamic Centre of Tri-Cities in Richland, said center member Youseff Shehadeh. He described the younger Haq as a loner who attended holidays at the center but was barely involved in recent years.
But many of the 9-11 attackers visted strip clubs, so it's too early to tell...

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Crazed Rabbit 18:27 07-29-2006
You don't have to be part of a larger organization to be a terrorist. Look at Timothy Mcveigh, or the DC snipers.

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Haq had been charged with misdemeanor lewd conduct in Benton County for allegedly exposing himself in a public place in Kennewick, Stephenson said. He declined to elaborate. The charge is punishable by up to a year in jail.
You might want to swing by the Sharia law thread to see how that system treats different genders in regard to sexual crimes.

Originally Posted by :
Haq's father, Mian A. Haq, was a founding member of the Islamic Centre of Tri-Cities in Richland, said center member Youseff Shehadeh. He described the younger Haq as a loner who attended holidays at the center but was barely involved in recent years.
At that specific center. He could have gone to others.

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But many of the 9-11 attackers visted strip clubs, so it's too early to tell...
A good point.

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Reenk Roink 18:40 07-29-2006
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit:
You might want to swing by the Sharia law thread to see how that system treats different genders in regard to sexual crimes.
According to the a Muslim who lives in the Middle East who posted there, that isn't Sharia law. And gender prejudices in Muslim countries aside, exposing yourself isn't a sign of a devout Muslim...

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit:
At that specific center. He could have gone to others.
We'll have to see...

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Seamus Fermanagh 16:41 07-30-2006
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink:
Certainly the premeditated nature of the crime, along with the hate motive warrants it...
I am glad that this criminal is off the streets, though it appears that this criminal is more "whack-job" than "terrorist" -- at least to the extent it is possible to distinguish between the two terms.

I disagree with the death penalty, though this person needs to be permanently separated from society for the protection of all.

I also disagree with the whole concept that "hate" crimes should warrant greater punishment because they are somehow "worse." Is someone murdering their spouse for the insurance money less evil than a Klukker shooting an African American for dating a Causasian? All crimes of violence are "hate" crimes.

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Kralizec 17:12 07-30-2006
Seamus: don't tell me you have never felt sympathy for a killer? I know I have.

Some murders are more understandable. Every person is capable of murder, but different people have different thresholds.

A KKK member shooting a black person (I dislike the term "African American") isn't worse then a woman shooting her husband for insurance money, but it certainly is worse then a crime passionnel, for example.

Motivation should be a factor in determining the punishment, but I'm not in favour of catagoricly punishing "hate crime" murders worse.

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Xiahou 09:25 08-02-2006
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
I also disagree with the whole concept that "hate" crimes should warrant greater punishment because they are somehow "worse." Is someone murdering their spouse for the insurance money less evil than a Klukker shooting an African American for dating a Causasian? All crimes of violence are "hate" crimes.
Agreed. Setting apart special punishment for "hate" crimes is absurd.

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The Wizard 13:37 08-08-2006
Yes, and this act is going to improve the standard of Muslims (and Lebanese to a lesser degree) amongst the worldwide masses -- how?

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Devastatin Dave 15:02 08-08-2006
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/D..._at_mel_gibson
Good article on the lack of coverage about this act of barbarism.
I guess its safer to do stories about celebrities screwing up than doing real news about murdering "religious" types since Mel Gibson will not likely cut off any reporter's head or suicide bomb a news station.

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Reenk Roink 15:20 08-08-2006
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave:
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/D..._at_mel_gibson
Good article on the lack of coverage about this act of barbarism.
I guess its safer to do stories about celebrities screwing up than doing real news about murdering "religious" types since Mel Gibson will not likely cut off any reporter's head or suicide bomb a news station.
Uh-oh... Way too crazy of a website for me... *erases cookies*

Anyway, I have a better idea, maybe it's because Mel Gibson is a big shot celebrity...?

And it's not like this story didn't get it's share of the media spotlight... that is right until they realized that he may be a Christian. I just happened to stumble upon that while going back over the story, but neither Fox News (nor CNN) mentioned anything about Haq's baptism...

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x-dANGEr 16:08 08-08-2006
Originally Posted by The Wizard:
Yes, and this act is going to improve the standard of Muslims (and Lebanese to a lesser degree) amongst the worldwide masses -- how?
Talk about offending..

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Don Corleone 20:15 08-08-2006
Originally Posted by x-dANGEr:
Talk about offending..
How was that offensive? The guy said he was killing the Jews because the Israelis were making life miserable for muslims in the Middle East. How does shooting a bunch of Jewish Americans change that? I think The Wizard's rhetorical question was entirely appropriate.

Talk about thin-skinned...

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Crazed Rabbit 00:28 08-09-2006
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Someone should CC this to the White House. It's the tactics which define terror, not the membership of an organisation. Therefore it's kinda hard to wage a "War on Terror" with a conventional army, which needs a physcial target rather than a conceptional one.
Perhaps it should be 'War on Terrorists'. Though I think you could call AQ cell members terrorists even if they haven't yet participated in a terrorist attack.

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Well. My only arguement is that it doesn't deal differently between the 2 genders regarding sexual issues. (That is, sexual violations)


Crazed Rabbit

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Don Corleone 00:32 08-09-2006
Guys, come on. In this case, it would be the 'War on the Mentally Not-quite-there'. By all accounts, this guy had serious mental and emotional issues. You can hardly use him as an example of Muslims in the USA, if for no other reason, it weakens your own argument.

Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of not-so-friendly people to point at, right here in the US. Just read any of the headlines coming out CAIR, or even out of Dearborn Michigan for that matter. You don't need to use this guy, and doing so only makes you look indiscriminate.

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x-dANGEr 11:47 08-09-2006
Originally Posted by Don Corleone:
How was that offensive? The guy said he was killing the Jews because the Israelis were making life miserable for muslims in the Middle East. How does shooting a bunch of Jewish Americans change that? I think The Wizard's rhetorical question was entirely appropriate.

Talk about thin-skinned...
He clearly stated: "All muslims are shit, what would that make to make them better."

Talk about blurring..

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Ser Clegane 12:05 08-09-2006
Originally Posted by x-dANGEr:
He clearly stated: "All muslims are shit, what would that make to make them better."
He very clearly did not make this statement.
Stop putting offensive statements in other people's mouth

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Devastatin Dave 14:14 08-09-2006
Originally Posted by x-dANGEr:
He clearly stated: "All muslims are shit, what would that make to make them better."

Talk about blurring..
Wow, looks like the AP/Rueters trained you how to post.

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