Altering / Improving my Kings + Heirs

**Scurvy** · 08-03-2006, 12:08

I have been playing as the Volga Bulgars lately, despite doing fairly well (and crushing the golden horde --> a nice bonus) i have had one problem...my royal family, the last 4 khans have all been useless, with no more than 2-3 influence, and 1-3 command...

is there a way to improve them through obtaining vices/virtues, or can i change the royal family through assasination etc. (i have several v good generals who i'd quite like as khan :D )

any solutions welcome

**Vladimir** · 08-03-2006, 12:51

The solution to your problem should be obvious. Expand your empire by giving your heirs more command time.

**Scurvy** · 08-03-2006, 13:03

command time?... (i'm new to mtw sp by the way)

**danfda** · 08-03-2006, 15:34

They need to be in charge of armies, or else the heirs don't get any vnv's (IIRC). And as Vlad suggested, the best way is to take more territory. That way they get command vnv's and stars, and I also think that influence is directly tied to command stars (right, vlad?).

As far as crappy heirs go, if I can't build them up, or I get a terrible heir right in line before a very good one, I send the chinless wonder on a one way trip to Mongol territory (or in your case, whomever you're at war with). You can select for good leaders that way, though it does waste a good unit of heavy cav.

**Vladimir** · 08-03-2006, 16:43

Command stars have nothing to do with influence, your power does. How much power your faction leader has determines how much influence he wields.

There are also two schools of thoughts on heirs: Grooming or Pruning. If you’re playing a small, GA oriented faction, pruning is the way to go. But if you plan on forging an empire you’ll need all the generals you can get so groom them. Just assign good governors and build up your generals. Your king can be a -1 star, weak attacker, poor defending coward but your three 9 stars (most likely descendant from royalty will be doing the fighting.

Your faction ruler’s stats are really insignificant if you’re forging an empire, just make sure he doesn’t have any happiness reducing stats.

**manbaps** · 08-03-2006, 17:20

Double Post

**manbaps** · 08-03-2006, 17:22

Originally Posted by Vladimir

Command stars have nothing to do with influence, your power does. How much power your faction leader has determines how much influence he wields.

There are also two schools of thoughts on heirs: Grooming or Pruning. If you’re playing a small, GA oriented faction, pruning is the way to go. But if you plan on forging an empire you’ll need all the generals you can get so groom them. Just assign good governors and build up your generals. Your king can be a -1 star, weak attacker, poor defending coward but your three 9 stars (most likely descendant from royalty will be doing the fighting.

Your faction ruler’s stats are really insignificant if you’re forging an empire, just make sure he doesn’t have any happiness reducing stats.

Doesnt influence affect loyalty of generals though? And influence is pretty much determined by how many provinces are taken whilst the ruler is ruling. And poor loyalty lead to civil war. So a ruler does need high influence, other than that it doesnt really matter.

Personally if i get a 9* heir i will do everything in my power to prevent them from being king as once one of their brothers become king they get out of the running and you then have a 9* general for the rest of your campaign.