Good News for the Turk Warrior (maybe)

**LeftEyeNine** · 08-04-2006, 21:34

Originally Posted by Vladimir

Thanks.

What's this? Only two people replying to this thread?

I'm inspired by "nationalistic" movements in the East. It certainly is an improvement over the believe in the Ummah. Europe finally moved away from the concept of Christendom and the Middle East needs to evolve as well. I care more about creating a pro-Iraqi government than a pro-American one in Iraq; just as long as the people draw their identity from their country and not from the different sect of their same religion.

Do you think they'll let it happen? No way.

Instead of allowing neither religious nor nation-oriented groups, Big Brothers prefer every possible distinction to fractionize the region, both religious and national. I even doubt that they will be trying to discriminate and label societies that talk different dialects of the same language, promising them liberty and land.

You know what, I'm changing my sig. GAH!

**Vladimir** · 08-05-2006, 02:20

Ok, this (and a few FINE Newcastle Brown ales) has prompted me to tell a story. My history advisor used to be a military officer. One of his assisnments was in Turkey. One time some drunk soldier decided he would urinate on the statue of Attaturk in "Big C", or Istambul. The story is funny because the soldier was litteraly was on the first flight ANYWHERE except Turkey because the local police caught him and they were MAD. That's the LAST thing you want to do in that country. The poor fool probably had no idea what he was doing.

**LeftEyeNine** · 08-05-2006, 07:00

The ones with spider brains used to knock them down, the drunk foreign soldiers try peeing over it. A-ye, they should fly to anywhere except for Turkey.

**Ice** · 08-07-2006, 07:11

Good thread. I admire Turkey for being on of the few countries in the Middle East that seperate mosque and state. I really see that as a plus because moderation and prosperity can occur a lot easier under a government that doesn't base it's codes off something written 1300 years ago.

**Banquo's Ghost** · 08-07-2006, 11:32

Originally Posted by Ice

Good thread. I admire Turkey for being on of the few countries in the Middle East that seperate mosque and state. I really see that as a plus because moderation and prosperity can occur a lot easier under a government that doesn't base it's codes off something written 1300 years ago.

I agree, and LEN makes some good points about the military 'guardianship'. I naturally baulk at the idea of generals being anything to do with 'safeguarding' constitutions, but sometimes one has to look at the internal dynamics of a country.

It's also why I think Turkey should stay out of the EU. Not because of our silly fears about immigration, nor of human rights, but because I believe Turkey may well be best placed to provide the kernel of a new, secular Middle East - which may in time draw the democratic countries that we all hope may arise in that region into a union of their own.

Hey, a chap can dream.

**Strike For The South** · 08-07-2006, 15:57

Turkey some good looking women but not as good as Greece some good food but not as good as Italy. Not to mention what good is a middle east country if the dont have oil. I mean whats the point but meh a better ally than Isreal