I was thinking it would be fun to let Legio VI respawn and the (un)lucky new Legate to inherit it - it could well be me? - would take it as a rather unpromising omen. It would be a great role-playing opportunity: commanding a cursed legion.
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I was thinking it would be fun to let Legio VI respawn and the (un)lucky new Legate to inherit it - it could well be me? - would take it as a rather unpromising omen. It would be a great role-playing opportunity: commanding a cursed legion.
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Simon, what are the English translations of those suggested titles of yours?
Is the Phoenix part of Roman or Greek mythology? Might be an apt piece of symbolism for the reconstituted Legio VI. In a semi-related aside, one of my dads squadrons when he was in the RAF was 56 squadron whose badge is a Phoenix rising from the flames, and whose moto is Quid si coelum ruat -, 'What if heaven falls?'
I'm trying to remember the regiments and their names, but there is one British army regiment who wear their badge on the front and rear of their caps in recognition of a battle long ago where the regiment next to them broke and ran and so the had to fight to both the front and rear and their nickname reflects this. Equally the regiment that broke and ran has some equally derogatory nickname. Aaarghgh, stupid brain, can't remember the details. Duke Malcolm or Banquo's Ghost might now.
Just throwing ideas around
btw, DDW, Hurin Rules has helped me with latin in the past. Being a professor of Medieval History and all
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"I request permanent reassignment to the Gallic frontier. Nay, I demand reassignment. Perhaps it is improper to say so, but I refuse to fight against the Greeks or Macedonians any more. Give my command to another, for I cannot, I will not, lead an army into battle against a civilized nation so long as the Gauls survive. I am not the young man I once was, but I swear before Jupiter Optimus Maximus that I shall see a world without Gauls before I take my final breath."
Senator Augustus Verginius
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Those are interesting ideas. I really like the Phoenix idea. I should have taken the latin and Greek courses when I had the chance, but I was to busy doing, well, basically everything except studying. Rember kids, go to school or you will end up as a software engineer !Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi
btw, DDW, Hurin Rules has helped me with latin in the past. Being a professor of Medieval History and all
Can you believe my aunt, at 83 took up the study of Greek and, at 86 has become a fluent speaker and Classics expert ???
So there's hope for me yet
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Excrabile is Latin for cursed; Macedonica and Graecia are Macedonian and Greek.
So it would be something like "The Cursed Sixth Macedonian Legion" or "Macedonian Legion VI: The Cursed". When we translate the names into English, I start to see Tiberius's objection to combining geographic and honorific titles.
I actually like the Phoenix idea better; more optimistic. Two defeats does not make a curse. Half a dozen or a dozen, maybe. (In which case, we could name them after the Star Trek extras, Legio VI: The Red Shirts)
PS: Last time we discussed this, I think we agreed naming was the First Consul's perogative although it could be overridden by a Senate vote if there was controversy.
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lol.
oh, and I'm loving the trial. Its like the backroom - insults, no-one actually answering questions posed to them. Good stuff
"I request permanent reassignment to the Gallic frontier. Nay, I demand reassignment. Perhaps it is improper to say so, but I refuse to fight against the Greeks or Macedonians any more. Give my command to another, for I cannot, I will not, lead an army into battle against a civilized nation so long as the Gauls survive. I am not the young man I once was, but I swear before Jupiter Optimus Maximus that I shall see a world without Gauls before I take my final breath."
Senator Augustus Verginius
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Good God I missed a lot while away. Sorry to hear about the loss, Mount. I have yet to venture into the Senate deliberations but I can only imagine that it caused an uproar.
BTW, Tribune Marcellus Aemilius is ready for duty.
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"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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Welcome back GeneralHankerchief,
Just in time as well, a battle might break out any second in Massilia
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I understand that it would slow down the game a bit by having an emergency session, but we did specifically allow for this in the original rules
So I suppose that means that The Speaker (econ21) must voice his opinion on the matter one way or another.(6) The Speaker can summon an emergency session of Senate at any time (ie a pause in play). The Senate is always open for deliberation (ie pontificating!) but only votes at a full session.
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I don't really understand what the senators have to vote on ? The trial is not finished as I understand it. The Pontifex Maximus can utter his decrees and woe on those who ignore his auguries. But do we really want to the game now ? I'm okay either way, but just do not understand.
p.s. Hang 'm High !
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I would push for a vote to not allow Rome's armies (except the one going to Gergovia) outside our current borders until the Eagle is recaptured. Of course, since this is a religious matter and econ21 controls both the Pontifex Maximus and the Speaker, perhaps he could simply make a decree that has force of law and must be obeyed. That could achieve a similar result without the slowdown of a vote. He could also just have the Speaker tell Verginius to go to hell, since he's the only one that can call an emergency session.
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econ: I think there was a Legion called Achaea, as the place wasn't called Greece at the time, it was just the people who were known as the Greeks.
EDIT: These people have been very inactive, and holding characters. I think their characters should be made free for others to take for now, until they come and post here. DoH is definitely not in this, after a few people PM'ing him to come back and the fact that he posted in the org today. Shifty seems to have too much mod work to do, so Publius will be wasted if he is not used. I dont have any recollection of YAKOBU, ZW, Mediobogdum, Wishazu or Zalmoxis posting for inactivity, or posting/voting in the WotS.
Inactives
shifty157
YAKOBU
Zomby_Woof
Destroyer of Hope
Mediobogdum
Wishazu
Zalmoxis
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Let us not be hasty. Econ21 is monitoring their activity. I say whenever we need a new avatar the senator with the lowest activity loses his.
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If anyone wants an avatar or wants to change an avatar, let me know. I think all active players have one but we can reassign avatars from inactive Senators if a need arises. We have a fair number of young 'uns in the pipeline, so I don't forsee a problem from now on.
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Regarding Legio VI, we definitely have to keep using it since the banner will come back and we'll need it. I also agree with the idea of giving it a name based on these events, especially because it lacked a name before now. However, I suggest that we hold off on giving it a glorious name until it actually redeems itself. I would suggest a cursed name (or informal nickname) for Legio VI until that time. I would also suggest that any players with avatars that have religious traits, especially superstitious ones, try to avoid service in Legio VI until it has been redeemed.
Regarding inactive players, specifically shifty157, I don't think anyone would want to take Publius Laevinus at all at this point! I expect him to be stuck in some minor city until he dies of 'natural' causes.
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I suppose this might be unlikely, given that my character is only 17, but he fits the non-religious type needed for the legion if there aren't any other active, available lower house generals.
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Yep, might be an excellent way to get command of a full Legion early... be the only one who would accept the role!
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Indeed! Hmm... I believe I'll write up a little something in the deliberations thread, wether or not I'll actually get command or not, for RP's sake.
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You've got time anyway, the banner won't appear until someone new is promoted to Legate.
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Yes, I'll have time to continue my studies in Rome for a while until everything is set. Well, I'll leave that up to the senate.
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Oh, I dunno, a superstitious general commanding Legio VI makes things much more fun
"I request permanent reassignment to the Gallic frontier. Nay, I demand reassignment. Perhaps it is improper to say so, but I refuse to fight against the Greeks or Macedonians any more. Give my command to another, for I cannot, I will not, lead an army into battle against a civilized nation so long as the Gauls survive. I am not the young man I once was, but I swear before Jupiter Optimus Maximus that I shall see a world without Gauls before I take my final breath."
Senator Augustus Verginius
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There's always the prospect of fulfilling Amulius Coruncanius's last desire, that the legion become immortalised, in which case I believe The Legio VI could take on the name Legio Immortalis, and become Rome's version of a crack legion that cannot die. Specific rules for it's upkeep and construction...like it must be constituted of the same number and type of Roman units that it was first defeated with, (however the auxilia that participated would not fall under this rule, that would be impossible) the Roman units must have at least 3 chevrons to be elligable for service with the Legio Immortalis, the Legio Immortalis can combine depleted units to create one full stocked unit (but cannot retrain units as it would deplete their chevrons and make them unelligble).
Something like this would be interesting.
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That does indeed sound very interesting Lucjan, although I don't know how feesible that would be logistically. Or maybe it won't be as complicated as I think. In any case, it's something to definately keep in mind.
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Considering that troops do move a significantly further distance in rtrpe than they do in vanilla, it shouldn't be too difficult of a theory to turn into practice. The Persians did this historically with the army they had named the "Immortals". The army was invariable kept up to strength no matter the cost, never less and never more than 10,000 men served in the army, and it became feared as unbeatable solely because of the fact that no matter how many may have been killed, the next time the army was fielded, there were already 10,000 of them again.
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Again, in theory it's a great idea and I'm all for it. However, I don't know how likely it would be that whoever is playing the game can pull it off. If the legion is in a battle zone somewhere and after a battle, losses are incurred, it wouldn't make sense to withdraw the entire legion to a city where all the units can be retrained, then brought back taking a lot of time. There might be the need to fight other armies in the area before retraining, or even on the way to back to retraining. However, if the general idea is kept a bit more loose, and we can simply retrain units only for this legion, but not necessarily before every battle, then it should be fine but it'd lose some of it's point. In any case, I'm for it if a conclusion is reached as to how to manage it.
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Nobody said anything about retraining it before every battle, all I was talking about was a bit of an historical aside regarding the Persians. The point behind the Legio Immortalis was that it'd be the only legion the consul did not have to have the pre-approval of the senate to restore the strength of. And retraining is against the rules of the game without senatorial approval. The point would be to maintain a standard of at least 3 chevrons experience for the least experienced units in the legion, and combining depleted units to make one full one to maintain the chevron increases from experience.
EDIT - My thoughts on maintaining the same army composition (excluding auxilia) is for rp, out of respect for the original Legio VI. I also feel only an experienced general of at least Legate rank should be allowed to command the Legio Immortalis.
Last edited by Lucjan; 08-10-2006 at 14:20.
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Senators, I'm wondering if anyone could help me with something. In the campaign I'm currently playing, I've reached a dead-end crash at the end of my turn. If anyone has any knowledge of the mod and might have some idea how to figure out what's causing it, I'd really appreciate any help. The crash only happens with the script on. It happened last turn, I reloaded and ended without script, and it was fine. Now at the end of this turn it's happening again. I'm assuming it might have something to do with a trait or somesuch? Anyhoo, here's the save file in case anyone will take a look.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Rome-crash.zip
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Uh oh, it's actually crashing without the script activated now too... Anyone have any ideas? It happens right when I press end turn. What are the immediate functions that happen when pressing it? Building being completed, cities rebelling, traits gained?So sad, was having a great campaign.
Last edited by Dooz; 08-10-2006 at 16:47.
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Wonderland - thanks for the battle report; I liked the screenshots in particular. But please can you reduce them in size to 75%? That way, the pagination of the thread will not be affected for readers using conventional settings. Cheers.
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Oops, sorry. I reduced them in Paint to 65% and it didn't change the pagination for me, thought it was fine. I don't know what you mean by 75%, could you explain what to do exactly?
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There also seem to be larger images higher up in the thread. Are you sure mine are too big?
Last edited by Dooz; 08-10-2006 at 15:09.
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Actually, forget it - I was being anal. They don't really push the page width off my screen (they get right to the edge). Whatever you did to the first screenshot (the campaign map one) was pretty much perfect. The others are a bit bigger, but not so much to worry about.
(The 75% rule is what I learnt from Ludens: personally, I take screenshots with fraps and then resize them to 75% using Irfanview.)
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Heh, all righty. I take screenies with fraps too, just didn't know about Irfanview. I was resizing with paint. I'll check it out though if it's a batch resizer/converter, come in handy.
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