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    OK! OK! So enlistments are down ... in every services (by 40-50%) and branch there of. So, reinstating the draft is out of the question ... what to do?

    Well, it's simple. If your willing to give up the security of your nation for the ability to meet quotas needed in our military to meet the exodus of personell getting the H' outta dodge after being held hostage for years past their normal deros (or what they thought it would be).

    How simple, how inexplicitly brilliant and ignorant at the same time, how in excusably stupid. But, it will sell - after all, better an immigrant risk their all than some real 3rd generation american. Personally, my folks been here since 1740s and hav fought in every stupid skirmish we've had (my son, Jr. is in Iaraq today - though I confess, after retiring from the USAF - he's a contract dufass).

    So, what does Bush propose? Well, he already did it - four years ago, without much fan fare or notice from the "minutemen" (and I do mean minute). He gave one of his presidential directives (you know like approving Bolton, etc) that authorized any illegals that signed into joining the military to have the immediate ability to request citizen status. Now, this use to be a 3 year waiting period ..... period. Bush wiped it a way.

    And now? To keep his kiddies and relatives safe (and all his GOP'ers - with the exception of McCain, whom's kids can't seem to help themselves from volunteering. 2 former admirals can do that to you.) his buds have come up with the most brilliant plan I believe I have ever heard of. That being, allowing the military (USA, that is) to set up enlistment booths any where in the world and allowing those that sign on the line immediate access to becoming citizens.

    One retired-general (Kevin Ryan) told the Christian Science Monitor (one of the last vestues for truth) that, "Instead of waiting for people to trickle in, we could go out and find the ones we want."

    If it sounds a little Imperialistic ... it is. If it sounds like our leaders have lost all semblance to being leaders? Well, it is tough calling Americans to stand up for themselves when it is easier to get others to do it .... even if it allows 10-20,000 future terrorists in.

    I tell you, I am beginning to wonder who wipes Bush43's ass ... because, obviously he can't do it himself.
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    Well...I'd have to say that I applaud America's willingness to get the destruction of the union over and done with quick. I mean it took the Romans 700 years... we're doing it in less than half the time. Yay!

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    Good point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KafirChobee
    OK! OK! So enlistments are down ... in every services (by 40-50%) and branch there of. So, reinstating the draft is out of the question ... what to do?
    Really? Here I'd been hearing that the army had exceeded its quotas for just about every month this year. Huh...

    So, what does Bush propose? Well, he already did it - four years ago, without much fan fare or notice from the "minutemen" (and I do mean minute). He gave one of his presidential directives (you know like approving Bolton, etc) that authorized any illegals that signed into joining the military to have the immediate ability to request citizen status. Now, this use to be a 3 year waiting period ..... period. Bush wiped it a way.
    Umm nope. This one is definitely wrong. It was for legal immigrants, not illegal aliens- that 'il' makes a big difference. If you enter the country legally and sign up for the armed forces during wartime, I think you deserve to be on the fast-track to citizenship- you've earned it.
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    Well reinlistments are up past 100% quotas and enlistments are up (I think) for active duty. Where they're down is for the Guard and Reserve pukes (like I was ). Personally I think it's good to allow immigrants to be granted citizenship after a certain time served in the military. Just as long as they can speak passable English.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    Really? Here I'd been hearing that the army had exceeded its quotas for just about every month this year. Huh...

    Umm nope. This one is definitely wrong. It was for legal immigrants, not illegal aliens- that 'il' makes a big difference. If you enter the country legally and sign up for the armed forces during wartime, I think you deserve to be on the fast-track to citizenship- you've earned it.
    LOL....where in the hell did you hear the military has met ... or exceeded quotas? Is that FOX news or CNN or MSNBC? Reality is they are 40 - 50% beneath them and even the ghetto kids are shunning the draft. So? My question is, aside from wishing to follow the administrations line and allow others to serve for you and let potential terrorists in our military (which this proposal of Bush43 will allow) it amazes me that neo-conservatives would approve of it.

    Still, one gets what they deserve/
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    The Army Times is my source and I think I heard the same on CNN. Where are you getting your numbers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KafirChobee
    LOL....where in the hell did you hear the military has met ... or exceeded quotas? Is that FOX news or CNN or MSNBC? Reality is they are 40 - 50% beneath them and even the ghetto kids are shunning the draft. So? My question is, aside from wishing to follow the administrations line and allow others to serve for you and let potential terrorists in our military (which this proposal of Bush43 will allow) it amazes me that neo-conservatives would approve of it.

    Still, one gets what they deserve/
    You can find the information anywhere- try google. Here's a story from those "neo-con" shills at UPI:
    The Army has met its active-duty recruiting goal for June for the thirteenth month in a row, according to the service.
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    Despite back-to back combat deployments, the Army is also retaining soldiers at high rate: some two-thirds of all soldiers eligible to re-enlist have done so, according to Army data which includes active and reserves
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    The active duty Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force all met their recruiting goals in June as well, according to the Pentagon.
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    So where are you getting your "facts" from?
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    Facts bogging rant down...must persevere, must continue...

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    When I was in I served with several non citizens. Kafir don't let the facts get in the way of your ignorant rant.
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    My great grandfather was recruited from a village near Naples, Italy to serve in the American Army during WWI. That's how he became a citizen and that's why I'm here today. There is nothing wrong or new about the idea. I really don't know the big hissy fit.



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    LOL....where in the hell did you hear the military has met ... or exceeded quotas? Is that FOX news or CNN or MSNBC? Reality is they are 40 - 50%
    Still, one gets what they deserve/[/QUOTE]

    The navy and air force are exceeding/meeting their quotas consistently
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