To chop or not to chop?

[Lemur]

Yup, in Africa they've shown that circumcision lowers HIV infection rates. Then again, anything is helpful in areas where dry sex is popular.

P.S.: Nice thread spelunking, drone.

[drone]

Yup, in Africa they've shown that circumcision lowers HIV infection rates. Then again, anything is helpful in areas where dry sex is popular.

The phrase "Who put sand in my Astro-glide?" comes to mind.

[Blodrast]

Speechless. That is so ... counter-intuitive, to put it as mildly as I can. Boggles the mind.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I fail to see how this could really help, unless of course they're all really dirty and never wash, in which case.....

[drone]

I fail to see how this could really help, unless of course they're all really dirty and never wash, in which case.....

Are you referring to circumcisions to prevent AIDS, or circumcisions to help with the dry-sex?

I don't know the science behind the preventing AIDS part. My guess would be that infected bodily fluid from the female gets under the foreskin, which would protect the virus from air and light for a longer time, enhancing the chance of infection.

[Lemur]

My guess would be that infected bodily fluid from the female gets under the foreskin, which would protect the virus from air and light for a longer time, enhancing the chance of infection.

I had to read up on this subject when I was deciding what to do with my baby lemur's johnson. Here's the deal, as I understand it: The foreskin protects the head of the penis, which means it remains both more tender and more sensitive. A cut johnson has no such protection, so it toughens up at the tip. Thus an uncut johnson is more prone to suffer micro-cuts during vigorous sex. I can only imagine the damage done by dry sex to an uncircumcised johnson.

I didn't bring up the freaky-deaky practice of dry sex just for the shock value; all of the studies that showed circumcision lowers HIV transmission were conducted in areas where the dry sex is common. I would be very interested to see if the same results hold true in places where men don't jump for joy at subjecting their tenderest appendage to a sandpaper treatment.

[ajaxfetish]

Well . . . after reading through this thread and finding myself in the same position as Lars, I decided I'd best adopt his new project as well. Fortunately, I can report success, and nothing seems amiss, but man is it sensitive under there!

Ajax

edit: and a question for our medical personnel--how frequently would you recommend retraction and cleaning?

[Divinus Arma]

Yup, in Africa they've shown that circumcision lowers HIV infection rates. Then again, anything is helpful in areas where dry sex is popular.

That is the most horrible thing I have ever read. It is MADNESS!!!

I prefer swimming, myself.

edit: and a question for our medical personnel--how frequently would you recommend retraction and cleaning?

I always knew this thread was disgusting.

To answer the question: At least twice Daily. Or thrice. Or more. Everytime you use the restroom.

[Kanamori]

What a pain.

[Louis VI the Fat]

edit: and a question for our medical personnel--how frequently would you recommend retraction and cleaning?

Definately clean it once a day at least. And before you start a game of twister with yer girl.

For retraction, I'd recommend at least once a day too, in rapid succession, for some five minutes.

[Strike For The South]

Definately clean it once a day at least. And before you start a game of twister with yer girl.

For retraction, I'd recommend at least once a day too, in rapid succession, for some five minutes.

Why do you wanna beat the poor fella after your done?

[Major Robert Dump]

I'm having hot dogs for lunch. People will wonder why I giggle

[Yoyoma1910]

You know, I hate to show the fact that I was raised by feminists, but perhaps... just perhaps... ah, nevermind. A world of eunichs would suck.

[TB666]

I got chopped almost a year ago.
I can't say it was a pleasant exprience
The actual operation went smooth.
Took 20 minutes and was awake the whole time.
It is when the anesthesia wears off hell begins.
The general pain isn't all that but the main problem is cleaning(atleast in my case).
1. It is hyper-sensitive
2. It bleeds alot and blood dries.
So the blood dried on the bandage and since you have to take the bandage off when you clean ehmm I will leave the pain in your imagination. Give you a hint, you got a high chance of passing out.
It also looks like it was beaten by 10 feminists with baseball bats.
Wasn't pretty
But after 4 weeks of pure hell the stiches came off(all 15 of them).
That said I still voted Gah.
Should only be done if there was medical reasons behind it like it was with me and the person getting the chopping must be the one that agrees to it.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Thank you for sharing.

[Bijo]

I got chopped almost a year ago.
I can't say it was a pleasant exprience
The actual operation went smooth.
Took 20 minutes and was awake the whole time.
It is when the anesthesia wears off hell begins.
The general pain isn't all that but the main problem is cleaning(atleast in my case).
1. It is hyper-sensitive
2. It bleeds alot and blood dries.
So the blood dried on the bandage and since you have to take the bandage off when you clean ehmm I will leave the pain in your imagination. Give you a hint, you got a high chance of passing out.
It also looks like it was beaten by 10 feminists with baseball bats.
Wasn't pretty
But after 4 weeks of pure hell the stiches came off(all 15 of them).
That said I still voted Gah.
Should only be done if there was medical reasons behind it like it was with me and the person getting the chopping must be the one that agrees to it.

Argh!!! >.< Instead of telling that story, you could just find me and shoot a bullet at me! I think I would've found them equally disturbing to experience. Actually..... I'd rather have somebody shooting a pistol at me, rather than hearing this kind of story....

But I must say you've gone through great physical pain, and it is worthy of honour

-edit-
How the hell did you pee?

[TB666]

How the hell did you pee?

A challenge worthy of the smartest men.
You have no trouble peeing except for the fact that the swollen state of your ehm member causes a unpredictable pressure making aiming pointless.

[drone]

After the WHO report, it seems that NYC is going to promote the chop for at-risk men in the city.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/05/ny...hp&oref=slogin

[snip]New York City’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene is planning a campaign to encourage men at high risk of AIDS to get circumcised in light of the World Health Organization’s endorsement of the procedure as an effective way to prevent the disease.

While the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta is just beginning to convene meetings and design studies to help it formulate a national policy, New York City is moving ahead on its own.

In the United States, “New York City remains the epicenter of the AIDS epidemic,” Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the city’s health commissioner, said in an interview. Referring to H.I.V., he said, “In some subpopulations, you have 10 to 20 percent prevalence rates, just as they do in parts of Africa.”

His department has started asking some community groups and gay rights organizations to discuss circumcision with their members, and has asked the Health and Hospitals Corporation, which runs city hospitals and clinics, to perform the procedure at no charge for men without health insurance.[/snip]

Looks like the mohels will be working overtime in the city that never sleeps...

[Vladimir]

His department has started asking some community groups and gay rights organizations to discuss circumcision with their members, and has asked the Health and Hospitals Corporation, which runs city hospitals and clinics, to perform the procedure at no charge for men without health insurance.[/snip]

Looks like the mohels will be working overtime in the city that never sleeps...

hehe

"Hey there little guy, how 'bout a little off the top?"

Member: No way!



I won't ask what prompted you to dig this one back up...

[drone]

I won't ask what prompted you to dig this one back up...

I saw the WHO report in the news a couple of weeks ago, which brought back fond memories of this thread. With all the posts on genital mutilations lately, I figured this would fit right in.

[Lemur]

I am still extremely suspicious of basing New York City medical policy on studies that occurred in nations where basic health care is minimal, and the dry sex phenomenon makes heterosexual intercourse a bloody affair.

For some reason, people always want men to chop in this country. At the turn of the century circumcision was sold to parents as an anti-masturbation cure. Then it became a hygiene issue. Now it's to prevent HIV infection. I just don't know. It seems as though the reasons keep shifting to fit a predefined goal.

[Vladimir]

I do remember legitimate studies that show you're twice as likely to carry the human pathaloma virus if you don't unmask .

[Louis VI the Fat]

For some reason, people always want men to chop in this country. At the turn of the century circumcision was sold to parents as an anti-masturbation cure. Then it became a hygiene issue. Now it's to prevent HIV infection.

It's all rubbish. For the average American there are no hygienic or STD preventional reasons to chop.

For hygienic reasons, I should hope that circumcised Americans have discovered the blessings of water and soap too. The difference between chopped and unchopped is a few hours at best before your wiener turns yukkie.
For protection, well, if circumcision is what you want to rely on you might as well not bother at all.

Clean water and condoms are widely available to Americans. For Africans this is often not the case. Circumcision is a desperate, 'last resort' measure there with a minimal to no health benefit for first world countries.

[master of the puppets]

chop, makes it look bigger.

gotta look out for the kids future.

[doc_bean]

chop, makes it look bigger.

gotta look out for the kids future.

Unchopped feels better (to the guy anyway, can't speak for the women here).

I know what I prefer.

[Louis VI the Fat]

chop, makes it look bigger.

* enter hot babe * :


"Sure honey, yours looks at least this long: "

"But if you don't mind, I prefer performance over flash. What really gets women off is width, and all girls know unchopped are wider by quite a marging".

[Lemur]

Chopped makes it look bigger? Well, when I was making up my mind for my little baby lemur, one of the people I spoke to was a surgeon, who had a very different take. He said that by losing the li'l bit of extra flesh, you could actually shorten a man's dangly bit through circumcision. He didn't think it was at all unlikely.

Anyway, done is done. If my boy wants to chop, he's free to do so in sixteen years or so. You can always take away, but you can never give back.

[Blodrast]

Anyway, done is done. If my boy wants to chop, he's free to do so in sixteen years or so. You can always take away, but you can never give back.

To quote one of our friends here, bollox! Maybe you shouldn't disregard all those helpful emails about adding a coupla inches, y'know...

[Lemur]

The scientific take on the debate. Needless to say, there's more than one view:

Does circumcision harm your sex life? This question has become more pressing than ever with the recent endorsement by the World Health Organization of circumcision as a means of reducing HIV infection in Africa (New Scientist, 31 March, p 7). But as two new studies show, it's proving tricky to resolve.

Kimberley Payne of the Riverside Professional Centre in Ottawa, Canada, and her colleagues tested the sensitivity of 20 intact and 20 circumcised men's penises as they watched erotic movie clips, by touching the penises with filaments that press down with predetermined amounts of pressure (The Journal of Sexual Medicine, DOI: 10.1111/j.1743-6109.2007.00471.x). They found no difference in penile sensation between circumcised and uncircumcised men.

However, when Robert Van Howe of Michigan State University used a similar method to measure sensitivity at 19 points along the penises of 163 men, he found that the five most sensitive points were all in portions of the penis removed by circumcision, especially those in folds exposed as the penis becomes erect (BJU International, vol 99, p 864).

Van Howe says Payne's team might have had similar results if they had tested more men and made measurements at more than two points. He denied that funding by the National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Centers, which opposes circumcision, influenced the result. "It would be hard to fake," he says. He hopes other groups will try to replicate the findings.

[Vladimir]

Um, wow. Thank you for that...yea...