Fragile chariots

[Trithemius]

Maybe Qwerty can post some provisional Casse chariot stats? It seems sad that Trithemius cans his campaign, when he easily could edit the a txt file and get something workable.

It's okay. I will gladly wait until the release. I am very eager to learn what the dynamic triggers for the Casse "reforms" are. :)

[Darkarbiter]

Historically (well the scythed ones at least) didnt they cut mens legs off or at least wond them badly. Now i know that the greeks wore shin guards but as far as i can tell from the models the barbarians dont seem to wear them. Therefore coming up against a celtic chariot when the only protection you have is your sheild should be very painfull. So therefore i think their attack should be raised a lot cos they did cause a lot of casualties (or at least if you cant walk thats not really going to bee too usefull while in a battle). Although most of their attacks would be damaging to the sides (where the scythes are) is this possible to code?

[Trithemius]

Historically (well the scythed ones at least) didnt they cut mens legs off or at least wond them badly. Now i know that the greeks wore shin guards but as far as i can tell from the models the barbarians dont seem to wear them. Therefore coming up against a celtic chariot when the only protection you have is your sheild should be very painfull. So therefore i think their attack should be raised a lot cos they did cause a lot of casualties (or at least if you cant walk thats not really going to bee too usefull while in a battle). Although most of their attacks would be damaging to the sides (where the scythes are) is this possible to code?

Were Celtic chariots scythed? :/

[Darkarbiter]

not sure but i know the selecud ones were and they are just as bad

[Trithemius]

not sure but i know the selecud ones were and they are just as bad

Thanks for playing!

[Orb]

Soibean, I think that chariots were essentially useless in towns. I'm not an expert, but I can't see any way that a chariot would fight in a siege effectively.

[Trithemius]

Soibean, I think that chariots were essentially useless in towns. I'm not an expert, but I can't see any way that a chariot would fight in a siege effectively.

I have used them to interdict enemy sallying parties in the same way that you would use cavalry, but given the fragility of Casse chariots I have been extremely unwilling to have them race around towns. I sometimes wheel them up behind my mobs of infantry in order to bolster their morale, but this is strictly a non-combat support role.

[Fondor_Yards]

Were Celtic chariots scythed? :/

As far as I know, no. I remeber one member saying celtic chariots normaly did not have blades on the side, but a few midland Britian ones did. Don't quote me on that.

Edit: Well if you look at the SS, their chariot's don't have them. So I'm going to say no they won't have scythes on them.

[Trithemius]

As far as I know, no. I remeber one member saying celtic chariots normaly did not have blades on the side, but a few midland Britian ones did. Don't quote me on that.

Edit: Well if you look at the SS, their chariot's don't have them. So I'm going to say no they won't have scythes on them.

Yeah, sorry about that; I was being sardonic at Darkarbiter. Thanks for your research on the matter though. :)

[Corinthian Hoplite]

Historically (well the scythed ones at least) didnt they cut mens legs off or at least wond them badly. Now i know that the greeks wore shin guards but as far as i can tell from the models the barbarians dont seem to wear them. Therefore coming up against a celtic chariot when the only protection you have is your sheild should be very painfull. So therefore i think their attack should be raised a lot cos they did cause a lot of casualties (or at least if you cant walk thats not really going to bee too usefull while in a battle). Although most of their attacks would be damaging to the sides (where the scythes are) is this possible to code?

You got the point, scythed chariots weren't powerful beacause of their crews but because of the blades that sliced the enemies-in rome that only happens when fighting cavalry, why? Infantrymen have legs too...don't they?-People may say that they have shields, yeah, they have, but that shouldn't make them invulnerable against the scythes, or instead: "they can dodge", ok, try to dodge a rolling blade coming against you at horse speed while you're stuck in a formation with your buddies and then tell me if you can dodge that. The problem is that even if you change their attack and charge to the max (63) and give them armour piercing ability they remain useless against infantry. So, unfortunately it's a game and not unit stats problem.

Any comments?

[Trithemius]

Any comments?

Casse chariots are not "expendables" like Scythed Chariots. My understanding is that Scythed Chariots are supposed to be used to disrupt enemy formations so that your ordered lines can crash into the enemies disordered lines.

[Simmons]

Any comments?

Also there are several example's of armies forming "lanes" in both Greek and Roman warfare so getting out of the way is possible it just takes a high level of discipline unfortunately RTW does not model this.

[Corinthian Hoplite]

Casse chariots are not "expendables" like Scythed Chariots. My understanding is that Scythed Chariots are supposed to be used to disrupt enemy formations so that your ordered lines can crash into the enemies disordered lines.

I've never understood why in rome tw that doesen't make a lot of difference-units don't even get demoralised by being charged when disordered (they should get at least "shaken")

Also there are several example's of armies forming "lanes" in both Greek and Roman warfare so getting out of the way is possible it just takes a high level of discipline unfortunately RTW does not model this.

What are lanes?
If you're referring to separated lines with one or two men wide then why couldn't the chariots just turn and slice the lines though?

Thanks for answering my pm Fallen :)