Syria

**Divinus Arma** · 08-13-2006, 07:08

Originally Posted by Ice

So Pretty much anyone not white, Northern European. That's what I'm getting from you Eclectic. Come on man, that's just disgraceful.

Oh Great. Now I'm a bigot? Give me a little credit man. All I am saying is to focus a little more and not give people a free pass because of their looks, and perhaps, maybe, use a little rational police work in targeting people. Were the British terror suspects last week white anglos? This isn't exactly a nutter idea my friend.

Edit: And for the record: They ain't Japanese, rarely are they black, certainly not maori, not Chinese, etc.

Look, when CHECHEN rebels (Whom are white if I recall) start blowing our planes up, then I would say target whitey cracker nilla milk too.

**Aenlic** · 08-13-2006, 07:15

Originally Posted by Eclectic

Oh Great. Now I'm a bigot? Give me a little credit man. All I am saying is to focus a little more and not give people a free pass because of their looks, and perhaps, maybe, use a little rational police work in targeting people. Were the British terror suspects last week white anglos? This isn't exactly a nutter idea my friend.

If the shoe fits.

I'll lay good odds that the British terror suspects from this last week look as white as anyone else in Europe who isn't blone-haired and blue-eyed. They are Pakistani in origin for the most part. They aren't dark-skinned, like you seem to assume is some kind of genetic marker for being a Muslim. You're beginning to sound disturbingly like PanzerJager. Why not just profile everyone who isn't blonde-haired and blue-eyed, Eclectic? That's what you really mean when you follow your logic to its conclusion.

**JimBob** · 08-13-2006, 07:21

This is why. Clockwise tell me who is a Muslim, Jew, Christian. Who is Palestinian, Isreali, American. Who is Fatah, who will be joining the IDF in a year, and who is going to become a Rabbi.

Who here is a Muslim, Jew, Christian. A Palestinian, Isreali, American. Who is a member of 'the organizations' and has been arrested for it, who has friends who have commited unspeakable acts at checkpoints, who has had neighbor's houses bombed.

**Divinus Arma** · 08-13-2006, 07:21

Originally Posted by Aenlic

If the shoe fits.

I'll lay good odds that the British terror suspects from this last week look as white as anyone else in Europe who isn't blone-haired and blue-eyed. They are Pakistani in origin for the most part. They aren't dark-skinned, like you seem to assume is some kind of genetic marker for being a Muslim. You're beginning to sound disturbingly like PanzerJager. Why not just profile everyone who isn't blonde-haired and blue-eyed, Eclectic? That's what you really mean when you follow your logic to its conclusion.

Calling someone a Nazi and infering someone is a Nazi is identical. I am only advocating police work that utlizes the available information. I just listed a whole host of folks who don't meet the criteria. Why did you happen to conveniently ignore that?

EDIT:

JimBob: Target all four men in the top picture and the two dark-haired men on the bottom pic. I'm not talking anal probe. Just extra attention.

**Aenlic** · 08-13-2006, 07:47

Originally Posted by Eclectic

Calling someone a Nazi and infering someone is a Nazi is identical. I am only advocating police work that utlizes the available information. I just listed a whole host of folks who don't meet the criteria. Why did you happen to conveniently ignore that?

EDIT:

JimBob: Target all four men in the top picture and the two dark-haired men on the bottom pic. I'm not talking anal probe. Just extra attention.

You edited your post after I posted, Eclectic. So let's examine your edit, as well.

Originally Posted by Eclectic

Edit: And for the record: They ain't Japanese, rarely are they black, certainly not maori, not Chinese, etc.

Look, when CHECHEN rebels (Whom are white if I recall) start blowing our planes up, then I would say target whitey cracker nilla milk too.

For the first part of that edit:

I expect you would be unable to tell the difference, on appearance alone, between an Indonesian Muslim and others from Southeast Asia.

The man in the middle in this pic is a suspected Indonesian terrorist. Except for his beard, he appears Asian to me. He's also suspected of having ties to Al Qaeda. He's also an Islamist fundamentalist.

Now, as for the second part of your edit:

So you're saying that the only criteria for being a target of your profiling is blowing something of ours up?

And yet, you give this guy and the whites/anglos who look like him a pass. Why is that? He actually did a bombing and killed people.

So, in spite of the obvious evidence of light-skinned, fair-haired terrorists, you insist that the only people who need to be profiled are "brown" people, probably with dark hair, and yet not Asians (also, in spite of evidence of Asians who are even suspected of being tied to Al Qaeda).

Sorry, Eclectic. If the shoe fits still holds.

**Ser Clegane** · 08-13-2006, 08:55

I do not think that Eclectic's idea of racial profiling has actually something to do with "racism" in the given context.
You can certainly argue how sensible such profiling is - which should be done in this new thread.

Why did this thread on Syria turn into a discussion about racial profiling anyway? Please stay on topic, guys.

**Banquo's Ghost** · 08-13-2006, 08:55

Originally Posted by Eclectic

Oh Great. Now I'm a bigot? Give me a little credit man. All I am saying is to focus a little more and not give people a free pass because of their looks, and perhaps, maybe, use a little rational police work in targeting people. Were the British terror suspects last week white anglos? This isn't exactly a nutter idea my friend.

Actually, at least one of the suspects is 'anglo' - white, middle class and a convert.

Link

Originally Posted by BBC

Abdul Waheed, 21, was arrested at a house in Hepplewhite Close, High Wycombe.

He had changed his name from Don Stewart-Whyte about six months previously, according to neighbours.

Perhaps American security measures don't profile passengers, but European airports do. Racial profiling is very low on the list (as it doesn't really work) but one sees it all the time if you travel - those dressed in traditional garb are more often pulled over for questioning than white Europeans. Sadly, we have a long history of racism over this side of the pond and it doesn't fade away easily amongst the plods.

The real work however, is done through behavioural profiling honed over years of experience with drug smugglers, organised crime and yes, terrorists. You see, Al-Queda and the US didn't invent terrorism in 2001, we have been living with various forms for many years. A Basque, or Irishman, or Italian communist looks much the same if he is a normal citizen or a terrorist. Racial profiling doesn't help a jot.

What does help is observing the behavioural patterns of someone intent on a criminal act. Whilst it is possible to train out these behaviours, it is expensive and technically skilled.

A lot of the basic work at airports is to consider carefully who is coming through, match it to previous intelligence and watch. Effective security and intelligence work is low-key, diligent and unspectacular.

I would be surprised (but not greatly) if US airport security didn't already profile in the manner I described. Pulling over people who 'look Muslim'

in public view of the gallery achieves only the satisfaction of racial/religious stereotypes.

And now I'm off to the airport for a quick jaunt. Quick...erm. Well, I've got my plastic bag and I look real good naked

EDIT: Just saw Ser's post - feel free to move this to the other thread.

**Divinus Arma** · 08-14-2006, 01:36

Originally Posted by Aenlic

You edited your post after I posted, Eclectic. So let's examine your edit, as well.

EDIt 2 WOOOOOOO: Actually my edit was five minutes before your post.

I (EDIT:SPELLING ERROR. I WOULDN'T WANT ANYONE THINKING I WAS FULL OF CRAP AND JUST REMOVING THINGS AT WILL!)~~very very very~~ almost never edit out part of my post. I usually only edit to correct spelling errors or add content.

Whether you choose to risk believing me is your own choice, and dare I add, a measure of your own character.

I created a new topic to focus on racial profiling. But if you would like to challenge my tolerance, I invite you to PM me. I take no issue in debating the issues, and if I am misunderstood then it is good to "air the sheets". Ser Clegane has done that for us.

Again, if you honestly believe me to be a bigot and would like to hold an honest conversation on your impression, I am open to it. You would not say such things if you knew me, and sadly internet discussion fails to provide us with the subtleties of interpersonal communication that are required to really ever know anyone. Please PM me and let us keep ad hominem attacks on a man's honor to a minimum.