Racial Profiling for Terrorists: Good or Bad?

[Banquo's Ghost]

I haven't seen very much in the way of help coming from any Muslim communities in the United States or the United Kingdom. On the contrary, it seems that their is quite a bit of "Allah Aqbar" going on in many mosques any time that 9/11 is mentioned in sermons. What in the world is one to make of such an attitude? I guess I am just to overlook the fact that over 80% of Muslim s in those communities hate the west, and wish to see the restoration of the Caliphate. We might as well just start living in the middle ages again if that should ever happen. Trust such people indeed! I might as well invite a rapist to date my daughter or a thief to do my banking. Come on man! Are you really that naiive? Let's imagine that 9/11 happened in Austrailia. Do you think that the Australian people would have such restraint? Many of them understand exactly what it means to let a wolf in among your sheep. I doubt they would be so docile as you claim to be towards so dedicated an enemy.

That's quite a hysterical post for a member who is usually quite reasoned. The hyperbole makes me think it's a joke, but I'm not so sure without any smileys.

Where do you get the 80% figure? What do you mean by 'hating the west'? How many mosques and sermons do you actually attend? Restoration of the Caliphate - who by and where are the facts to substantiate?

Australian citizens were blown up in Bali.

You will never defeat extremists until you get the community they live amongst on your side. The best intelligence comes from that community. Muslims certainly help the UK intelligence services - I can't speak for the US - but they tend to be quiet about it for the same reasons that one tends not to shout about informing on the Mafia. Many other moderates who don't support terrorism tend not to inform because they fear being accused themselves by over-zealous officers. These are the people we need to be reassuring as Pape noted.

Solid human intelligence is worth any amount of electronic sifting of emails or whatever.

If you were making a joke by exaggeration, then forgive me.

[Horatius]

Profiling Muslims-Unfortunately an absolute neccessity, and remember 100% of the terrorists are Muslims.

Profiling the "Muslim Race"-Impossible no such thing exists

Why does everyone insist on equating Islam with a race?

So yes I am in for of profiling, however I am for religious, not racial profiling.

Most of the intelligence we here in the UK get from the Muslim Community comes from bugging mosques, or from under cover agents who blend in with the in crowd of the terrorists, the latter method not an anonymous phone call is how we defeated the most recent plot to blow up ten civilian jets.

[Dâriûsh]

I hope the "good" voters will one day have to undergo security checks with a gloved hand up their behind.

[AntiochusIII]

I hope the "good" voters will one day have to undergo security checks with a gloved hand up their behind.

Ah, but Whites have greater tolerance for such alternative caressing activities by complete strangers, especially considering on how I suspect just about everyone on the far right likes to do that in their closets!

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I'm not sure, but I'd rather have political forces on full swing dealing with actual issues and actual things than scanning the hell out of my very tender behind because of my Asian look and such. It wouldn't be too soon before the Southeast Asian terrorist organizations -- many of which are heavily tied to your old friends -- are utilized by the beloved Al-Qaida for another spectacular round of global destabilization, and then I shall find the privacy of my bedroom to be but a myth. The actual job of fighting this incredibly catchy-sounding War on Terror ought to be fought with more innovative ways than the logically-flawed, racism-encouraging, partisan-inspiring, resource-wasting, distracting system of racial profiling.

But who can say? Since so many in this thread have expressed the sentiment of "face it, you're scared of the other colored person too (I could shorten it to racism, but for the courtesy of it...)" and a few even go to the legendary "but my Muslim/Arab Christian/Cyrodiilic (and I'm not Camonna Tong! [Morrowind reference]) friend!"

[Horatius]

Wasn't the first use of the new anti-incitement law against a pro-life activist who supported attacking abortion clinics or something? IIRC there have also been firebombs from animal rights activists in the past few months as well. In NI there is still some tension between the Loyalists and the Republicans, and between the Loyalists themselves. Then there are the neo-Nazis.

1. You forgot the IRA

2. Yes Animal Rights and pro-life groups are such a threat to Britain that it is so equivalent to Islamic Terrorist , and I would like to know when was the last terror attack attributed to Nick Griffith.

So how would you go about doing this profiling? How would people qualify to be profiled? Would all Muslims have to register to be profiled, or only a subsection? How would you define that subsection? Would converts have to register upon conversion? How much data do you think this will throw up? How are you going to deal with all this data and turn it into useful information?

You are acting like M15 is incompetent first off by assuming that the amount of information this would require processing before it becomes useful is too much for it.

Secondly somebody with a very heavy German accent named Ali bin Allah might be a convert, while not all Muslim Converts change their names enough do for religious profiling without racial profiling. I do concede that any profiling is unfortunate, and I wish that it wasn't needed, however the danger is clear and present.

Any cites for this? Also, how are you going to get undercover agents into the incrowd of these terrorists if you're going to alienate the entire Muslim population?

1. It's called secrecy, hence the term undercover.

2. The Muslim Population already feels extremely alienated.

3. I will look for that one to, although I am doing a bunch of things at the same time.

Anyway Pannonian just as I acknowledge you don't hate me, or Tony Blair Loyalists I hope you acknowledge I do not hate you, Muslims or Leftists.

[Redleg]

To put it simply Racial Profiling equates to poor police work. I prefer behavior profiling as the method to catch the individual who has committed himself to breaking the law.

[Tribesman]

I would like to know when was the last terror attack attributed to Nick Griffith.

Well you had the two friendly bombings in London by the nice BNP member from Camberley , then you had Kirk Barker a nice BNP campaigner in North-Hampshire who was implicated in those bomb attacks getting caught trying to firebomb a Hindu wedding , then Kirks drinking and campaigning partner Luke Gardiner getting arrested for a racist attack and the police search of his house turning up explosives and illegal firearms .
Though of course Nick Griffith doesn't do terrorism ..... his followers do .

[Strike For The South]

Phelps isnt a good anaolgy anyway. He has 40 followers and does nothing violent. The islamofacists have millions of followers and even more people who would turn a blind eye. It is true all socites have idoits. But this one has them yeilding all the power.

[Papewaio]

And I bet you can name quite a few other idiots who also give Christianity a bad name.

KKK (who went on a recruitment drive at the Org), Christian Neo-Nazis and I'm sure quite a few others. Would you really sum up the majority of Christian opinions based on them?

Would you sum up the majority of adult opinions based on radical groups such as those that protest at the G8?

Radicals exist within every religion and thought system. Some of them are ultra-violent, even Buddhism has violent monks that intefer in politics.

[Strike For The South]

Once agian you are trying to say these men can weild 1/10000 of the power that these inams can. They cant. This kind of thinking is engrained in there socitey. It is tuaght in school and in mass.Could you imagine if a teacher told his class to hate the smelly brown people in the west? No. There is something bigger at work here it is not a few fundies

[Papewaio]

True there are more fundies, but lumping the moderates in with them is going to help the fundies not us. We need to support he moderates, it will be far more better for us.

[Pannonian]

Profiling Muslims-Unfortunately an absolute neccessity, and remember 100% of the terrorists are Muslims.

Wasn't the first use of the new anti-incitement law against a pro-life activist who supported attacking abortion clinics or something? IIRC there have also been firebombs from animal rights activists in the past few months as well. In NI there is still some tension between the Loyalists and the Republicans, and between the Loyalists themselves. Then there are the neo-Nazis.

Profiling the "Muslim Race"-Impossible no such thing exists

Why does everyone insist on equating Islam with a race?

So yes I am in for of profiling, however I am for religious, not racial profiling.

So how would you go about doing this profiling? How would people qualify to be profiled? Would all Muslims have to register to be profiled, or only a subsection? How would you define that subsection? Would converts have to register upon conversion? How much data do you think this will throw up? How are you going to deal with all this data and turn it into useful information?

Most of the intelligence we here in the UK get from the Muslim Community comes from bugging mosques, or from under cover agents who blend in with the in crowd of the terrorists, the latter method not an anonymous phone call is how we defeated the most recent plot to blow up ten civilian jets.

Any cites for this? Also, how are you going to get undercover agents into the incrowd of these terrorists if you're going to alienate the entire Muslim population?