Neither did I

Every member here who whines or whinges, who gets bitter or angry, frustrated or even disappointed, has been loyal above all else to the TW series. We love it for what it was and for what it could be but we despair that certain things have happened, wanting them to be remedied and most of all wanting to say Congratulations CA, you did a Great Job!
Orda, what I don't understand is (to use the phrase of another) the polarisation of this thread. You talk to me about 'we' the upset veteran players. I'm not criticising dissapointment (how could I).

Though I joined the .org two years after you, I've played the entire series, STW, Mongol Invasion, MTW, VI, RTW, BI, and modded MTW, VI, RTW and BI.

I've seen the changes over the years, I'm not blind. I don't agree with lots of them, particularly many that came about in the jump from MTW/VI to RTW/BI.

When one reads the last page of a book, all one knows is its ending. To comment on the book one needs to read its contents
I was upset because, with that sentence you strongly imply me as a 'new player' who hasn't considered the background of the total war series, and is blinded by shiny graphics. I take offence to that.

Re-reading my own post, I see nothing malicious, or at least, nothing intended as such.

I do give allowance for the fact that it was a new engine, nonetheless I'm dissapointed in RTW.

I'd be willing to bet there isn't a grievance you have that I don't share. It's the manner of expressing those grievances that sometimes gets on my nerves, and the seeming lack of hope for the future that I disagree with. The automatic defensive reactions in this thread are something I'd lump in with the stuff that annoys me (though in this case, the first post doesn't really help much)

Take screwtypes thread on comparisons with LOTR2. It makes a good read, makes good observations. In short, it's enjoyable to view. When I read yet another comment about CA's lack or respect/ability/etc, which has little or no constructive criticism and is entirely fixed on the RTW experience rather than the possibilities of M2TW, it certainly isn't enjoyable to read. After all, are we not all here because we enjoy discussing the series with (mostly) like-minded people?

So to the people who say give them another chance, I am saying how many times are we going to do just that?
You know you want to give them another chance really. Go on, you know you do, or else why are you here?


I realise that maybe the pills comment was out of order, but it was genuinely meant as a joke. Maybe that's just my upbringing, keep taking the pills is commonly used by members of my family, not that we're nuts or anything.

@ Puzz, I don't know if you took offence, but please accept my appology, I am posting with good intentions.