New 3d unit: Naffatun

[TB666]

New unit is up at the .com
http://www.totalwar.com/en/medieval2...its/index.html
This week it is the naffatun.
These guys looks nice.

[Ultras DVSC]

Hm, I don't cast doubts on the effectiveness of that naphta, but I really do on the authenticity of these warriors who did not have any single secondary weapons...

[Duke John]

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[R'as al Ghul]

Looks nice. Very much better than the pink guys from M:TW.

[TB666]

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[Midnight]

Pin target unit with cheap spears... and throw! Ka-BOOM!

Looks good to me!

[Beelzebub]

They were pretty good if you were defending a hill. They got better range on a steep hill, and the attacking units came up slowly so if you placed them on the frontline they could unload most of their grenades then withdraw.

[danfda]

Hm, I don't cast doubts on the effectiveness of that naphta, but I really do on the authenticity of these warriors who did not have any single secondary weapons...

Did these really exist in this time anyway? I don't know myself, but with CA's tendency to put in pseudo-historical units (though I've not heard any "whinging" about them) I wouldn't doubt it.

Also, who in their right minds would carry a collection of fragile ceramic pots filled with fiery naptha into battle? With or without a sword or dagger?

EDIT: that's a sad looking bomb smilie..

[Afro Thunder]

Also, who in their right minds would carry a collection of fragile ceramic pots filled with fiery naptha into battle? With or without a sword or dagger?

I dunno, that sounds like an exciting job to me.

[hoetje]

I dunno, that sounds like an exciting job to me.

Yea,you never know in which battle these pots will explode in your hands...
Will it be the first one? Or the second one?

[professorspatula]

I'd prefer to throw pumpkins at the enemy. Less chance of them exploding in my hand, plus they're still quite a hefty object to hit your foe with. Plus after the battle, there's pumpkin pie for everyone!

[Ibn Munqidh]

Hm, I don't cast doubts on the effectiveness of that naphta, but I really do on the authenticity of these warriors who did not have any single secondary weapons...

MM, how do you know? What if they were caught in a melee fight? Would they just fold up and die. I would think that such units carried a dagger with them, or a shortsword.

[Tamur]

The detail and texturing on this one is, again, brilliant. Very nice, cheers to the modelers & texture artists!

And before charging CA with pseudo-history danfda, please do some research.

http://www.infinityfoundation.com/EC...hnamaframe.htm

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issu...il.weapons.htm

http://www.historynet.com/wars_confl...tml?page=3&c=y

http://www.maritimeasia.ws/topic/shiptypes.html

http://www.hiddenengland.org/British_history_4.asp

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis...alexiad04.html

Naphtha weapons, and specifically groups who threw brass canisters filled with naphtha, were not a rarity.

[Lord Adherbal]

naptha throwers as actual units obviously didn't exist, but neither did "sword" or "spear" units. Naptha was used mostly in sieges tho, but it's not an unrealistic unit. Certainly not up to the degree of RTW's "wardogs" or "arcanii"

[Leet Eriksson]

naptha throwers as actual units obviously didn't exist, but neither did "sword" or "spear" units. Naptha was used mostly in sieges tho, but it's not an unrealistic unit. Certainly not up to the degree of RTW's "wardogs" or "arcanii"

They did, the naffatun specifically did exist, not sure about wether other armies used them, but the ommayads, and abassids utilised them as units. They were emphasised in history books here as seperate units as well since the caliphate armies had 4 types, Al Kashafa(scouts), Al Sariya(main army), Naffatun (naptha slingers), and al Manjaniq(Siege weapons, Manjaniq = Mangonel, sometimes they refer to the ballista as a manjaniq, probably to the similiarity in the mechanics, the arabic manjaniq is much like a roman onager as opposed to a trebuchet).

[SaberHRE]

The detail and texturing on this one is, again, brilliant. Very nice, cheers to the modelers & texture artists!

And before charging CA with pseudo-history danfda, please do some research.

http://www.infinityfoundation.com/EC...hnamaframe.htm

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issu...il.weapons.htm

http://www.historynet.com/wars_confl...tml?page=3&c=y

http://www.maritimeasia.ws/topic/shiptypes.html

http://www.hiddenengland.org/British_history_4.asp

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis...alexiad04.html

Naphtha weapons, and specifically groups who threw brass canisters filled with naphtha, were not a rarity.

If i may add, the Europeans used them TOO. Check out Schilling Chronicles, were you can see Burgundian Troops, the "Grenadiers" using the "bombs"

[danfda]

The detail and texturing on this one is, again, brilliant. Very nice, cheers to the modelers & texture artists!

And before charging CA with pseudo-history danfda, please do some research.

http://www.infinityfoundation.com/EC...hnamaframe.htm

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issu...il.weapons.htm

http://www.historynet.com/wars_confl...tml?page=3&c=y

http://www.maritimeasia.ws/topic/shiptypes.html

http://www.hiddenengland.org/British_history_4.asp

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis...alexiad04.html

Naphtha weapons, and specifically groups who threw brass canisters filled with naphtha, were not a rarity.

Well, thats why I asked. I did not know if they had truly existed in history, and I figured one of you gents would, so this was my research. And insofar as psuedo-history goes, I've read countless threads rehashing the historical validity of arcanii and wardogs, and incendiary pigs and cannon elephants...those were the "units" I was referring to. So, you answered my question, tamur, and then...well, I'll just stop right there.

My orginal post was the question followed by text meant to be interpreted with a smile, wink, and nod. I guess next time I will load it up with emoticons so I am not misunderstood.

[Kourutsu]

I remember those guys. Never messed with them because the pots blew up on them all the time.

[Tamur]

My apologies, danfda. I did appear to bite your head off, didn't I? I'll read more carefully next time, and reply to the post rather than my interpretation. Foolish Tamur.

[hoetje]

They look cool,deadly,but...
Never played with them before so I don't know how to handle them :P