Re: 17th century
To France
"Did the Emperor of Spain declare war before he invaded Genoa? As we recall,he didnt. Did the Emperor of Spain declare war,before annexing Denmarks Colony? As we recall he didnt. The Protestant Coalition is just giving the Emperor back his own medicine. Like we have stated before, we have no issues with France,Germany or Poland. Our issues are with Spain.
Embassador of Netherlands
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
Re: 17th century
To the Netherlands, England and their allies:
Even though your war may prove useful us, we will have to question your honour in this dastardly move. As many before me have said, a man of noble bearing informs his enemy of his intentions before going out to cause harm. Where is the honour in stabbing a man in the back who is already locked in combat?
"One of the nice things about looking at a bear is that you know it spends 100 per cent of every minute of every day being a bear. It doesn't strive to become a better bear. It doesn't go to sleep thinking, "I wasn't really a very good bear today". They are just 100 per cent bear, whereas human beings feel we're not 100 per cent human, that we're always letting ourselves down. We're constantly striving towards something, to some fulfilment"
-Stephen Fry
Re: 17th century
To Sultan.
"As we sayed to France.Where was Spanish Emperors honour,when he invaded Genoa and annexed Denmark´s Colony.We didnt hear any uproar from others back then?"
Messenger of Netherlands
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
Re: 17th century
The Emperor of Spain may be without honour, but that is no reason for you to forsake your honour!To Sultan.
"As we sayed to France.Where was Spanish Emperors honour,when he invaded Genoa and annexed Denmark´s Colony.We didnt hear any uproar from others back then?"
Messenger of Netherlands
"One of the nice things about looking at a bear is that you know it spends 100 per cent of every minute of every day being a bear. It doesn't strive to become a better bear. It doesn't go to sleep thinking, "I wasn't really a very good bear today". They are just 100 per cent bear, whereas human beings feel we're not 100 per cent human, that we're always letting ourselves down. We're constantly striving towards something, to some fulfilment"
-Stephen Fry
Re: 17th century
To Sultan.
"You are right that one should keep their honour.But in this world where power hungry Emperor´s roam around swallowing whole countries like appetizers, small countries have to do what they can in order to survive. We just simply couldnt wait for the day,when the Spanish testudos would arrive into our capitals without further notice."
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
Re: 17th century
Your actions may have saved you in this life, but they will damn you to eternal damnation in the life after, may Allah have mercy on your soul.
"One of the nice things about looking at a bear is that you know it spends 100 per cent of every minute of every day being a bear. It doesn't strive to become a better bear. It doesn't go to sleep thinking, "I wasn't really a very good bear today". They are just 100 per cent bear, whereas human beings feel we're not 100 per cent human, that we're always letting ourselves down. We're constantly striving towards something, to some fulfilment"
-Stephen Fry
Re: 17th century
To Sultan
"If my soul is to burn in hell for eternity in order to save Netherlands and get rid of Spanish tyranny that is endangering the whole world. Then it is the prize im willing to pay."
Stadtholder of Netherlands
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
Re: 17th century
Dark times when We have to see that the sultan is acting like a nobleman while a Christian leader forgets his honor and is talking heretic words.
Re: 17th century
To France
"I think in the end.God will show us,who were righteous and who not.We all are sinners.Some of us can also admit that we are."
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Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
Re: 17th century
HMCIM did not attack Venice, it was Venice who attacked without warning. Our struggle with Genoa was of a private and personal nature, derived from claims and family rights wrongly inherited.Originally Posted by Kagemusha
The issue with the Danish colony was settled with the Danish government and is not of the business of the Stadtholder. Apparently the words of the Danish King say one thing, and his actions speak the opposite. HMCIM believed that an agreeable treaty was reached.
The only war Spain has been moved into was the war against the Ottoman where, as a Habsburg, HMCIM decided it was his rightful duty to come to the aid of his brother the Kaiser of the Holy Roman Empire.
So which wars are you talking about, Stadtholder?
You are an honourable and worthy enemy, Sultan. I will pray to God that he saves your soul even though we are enemies now. I do hope that when this war is resolved we can be friends again.Even though your war may prove useful us, we will have to question your honour in this dastardly move. As many before me have said, a man of noble bearing informs his enemy of his intentions before going out to cause harm. Where is the honour in stabbing a man in the back who is already locked in combat?
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Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
Re: 17th century
To Spain
"How is a war a private thing? You attacked both Genoa and Denmarks colony,without proclamation of war. What you forced to either of them afterwards will not chance that fact."
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
Re: 17th century
The issue of the Danish colony was resolved amiably with the King of Denmark, and it is not of Dutch business. No declaration of war was made because it was not an action of war but merely a misunderstanding.
The war in Genoa was a matter of family claims, which, again the Netherlands has nothing to do with. The Stadtholder should learn to mind his own business.
If envy is so strong in his soul, maybe HMCIM should reconsider and take back the Southern Provinces.
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
Re: 17th century
Message to Spain
"His Majesty can threaten us all he wants.Your troops can do us nothing that they havent already done before when they ravaged Netherlands. If i remember that ended in your defeat. Our coalition is ready to strike you down. You can twist issues as much as you want, now its time to face the consequences of your earlier actions. We are waiting for you at Gibraltar. Please come visit us."
Messenger of Netherlands
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
Re: 17th century
If We remember correctly, we sold you the Netherlands. HMCIM has already taken measures to ensure that both your fleet and your landing party is destroyed.
What have you to gain in this war, Stadtholder? England wants her pride back, but Denmark and the Netherlands have no reason not to wish peace with Spain. Except maybe satisfy his own greed and envy. The very qualities he is accusing us to have.
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
Re: 17th century
It's 23, I hope that's not too tight
Under construction...
"In countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Norway, there is no separation of church and state." - HoreTore
Re: 17th century
From Denmark:
The Danish king encourages France to join the war against Spanish hegemonia at the sea, which attempts to prevent free trade between honest merchants. Denmark is not the only country that has been a victim of the ruthless Spanish colonial policies, with an unprovoked attack on the Danish colony in West Africa without prior declaration of war, and with a humilation in response to our attempts to receive honest compensation for the provokation. Those are the manners of armed robbers and highwaymen, not of noble men.
Under construction...
"In countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Norway, there is no separation of church and state." - HoreTore
Re: 17th century
Hadn't we settled that issue? HMCIM remembers that a peaceful resolution was achieved. Is a peaceful resolution not more desirable than a violent one?
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
Re: 17th century
Statement from the court of King James
"The King views all these self righteous statements about right and honour in association with war with a detached grim humour. War is terrible, savage and evil - but it is a vital component in the extension of a nation's will. One may try to dress it up with false pretensions of honour and chiviraly, but you can't change its base heart. You can put a pig in a dress to make it attractive, but it is still a pig.
We reached what we thought was an honourable peace with Spain some years ago. Since then, all attempts by us to expand and work together have been rebuffed by the Spainish as if our honourable peace was a sign of weakness. To add insult to injury, their Popish puppet makes a public statement dividing the new world between Spain and France, ignoring the stirling work of the brave pioneers of England, Holland and Denmark in opening up these new lands and spreading the word of God. It has been our oft stated view that there is plenty of opportunity for everybody. The view of Spain is that they want it all for themselves. Our actions are to right these wrongs and return the world to one of free trade and the spread of our European civilisation to the savages of the new world.
England acknowledges the threat of the Turk - indeed we dispatched ships to assist the Spainish in their fight. However, it has become increasingly obvious that the shield of our peace with Spain has been used to attack Genoa and for an attempt to create an empire in the Balkans. If the troops used in the attack on Greece and Cyprus had been used to support Vienna perhaps a different outcome may have been achieved. Instead Spain used the gallant defenders of Vienna as a diversion for a vainglorius attempt to carve out an ill-considered Balkan empire.
Finally we make 2 statements:
1) Our fight is with Spain alone. The straights of Gibralter are closed to her ships alone and those who would provide succour to her war mongering. They remain open and in our protection to all other nations.
2) In light of the existance of the state of war between us, I issue a universial letter of marque to all indepentent sailors and freebooters who wish to pursue privateering against the merchant shipping of Spain. Anybody who oversteps this command to attack other nation's shipping will be hunted down by ships of the Royal Navy.
God save the King
King James the First of England and Sixth of Scotland
"Some people say MTW is a matter of life or death - but you have to realise it is more important than that"
With apologies to Bill Shankly
My first balloon- for "On this day in History"
Re: 17th century
While I am willing to cross my sword with King James, I wish to let him know that a declaration of war is in order among civilised men before hostilities are started.
What would King James say to a proposal of resolving this war in personal duel? This would save us the unnecessary bloodshed.
On a different subject, Spain has no intention of ruling over the balkan territories. HMCIM has no wish of ruling over non Catholics and the incursion into Greece was an attempt to limit the Ottoman influence rather than expanding the Spanish one.
Proof of this, is that the island of Cyprus has been placed under the control of the Knights of Malta and not incorporated into the Empire.
Of course the King of England has his own reasons for acting the way he does, and now our arms will decide the outcome.
HMCIM declares:
That it is the duty of every catholic to fight the threat that the Protestant coalition poses HMCIM issues a universial letter of marque to all indepentent captains and merchants of every nation who wish to pursue privateering against the merchant shipping of England, Denmark, Venice, the Ottoman Empire and Netherlands. God will protect those who fight in His name.
HMCIM will personally purchase the vessels captured from the enemies of Spain.
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
Re: 17th century
Netherlands joins England in these articlas:
1) Our fight is with Spain alone. The straights of Gibralter are closed to her ships alone and those who would provide succour to her war mongering. They remain open and in our protection to all other nations.
2) In light of the existance of the state of war between us, I issue a universial letter of marque to all indepentent sailors and freebooters who wish to pursue privateering against the merchant shipping of Spain. Anybody who oversteps this command to attack other nation's shipping will be hunted down by ships of the Dutch Navy.
Stadtholder of Netherlands
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Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
Re: 17th century
We would prefer not to see this happen, as the Knights of Malta are nought but fanatic pirates. I propose we both lay down our claim to the island and see if the Cypriots can govern themselves. We could also agree to allow a naval extraction of the soldiers in Greece if you so wish, that is if you value their lives. They may kill their share of Ottoman soldiers, I recognize the bravery of the Spanish soldiers which is far superior to the cowardly germans and the raiding Polish, but if you leave them in Greece you have doomed them to death, brave men are not a commodity to be wasted.Proof of this, is that the island of Cyprus has been placed under the control of the Knights of Malta and not incorporated into the Empire.
"One of the nice things about looking at a bear is that you know it spends 100 per cent of every minute of every day being a bear. It doesn't strive to become a better bear. It doesn't go to sleep thinking, "I wasn't really a very good bear today". They are just 100 per cent bear, whereas human beings feel we're not 100 per cent human, that we're always letting ourselves down. We're constantly striving towards something, to some fulfilment"
-Stephen Fry
Re: 17th century
Maybe the Sultan would discuss a peace treaty? If so, his messengers will be allowed through the Catholic lines to hold talks with the Emperors' embassadors.
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
Re: 17th century
It is a possibility which I do not exclude.Maybe the Sultan would discuss a peace treaty? If so, his messengers will be allowed through the Catholic lines to hold talks with the Emperors' embassadors.
"One of the nice things about looking at a bear is that you know it spends 100 per cent of every minute of every day being a bear. It doesn't strive to become a better bear. It doesn't go to sleep thinking, "I wasn't really a very good bear today". They are just 100 per cent bear, whereas human beings feel we're not 100 per cent human, that we're always letting ourselves down. We're constantly striving towards something, to some fulfilment"
-Stephen Fry
Re: 17th century
The Kaiser.
It is with a heavy heart that I put this to paper my fellow rulers. Germany is already so raveged as to make me weep nigh on end. But, unless some peaceful arrangment can be made I must declare my support for Spain whom did come to us in our time of need.
The Kaiser will come to talk with the Sultan perhaps next turn, when Germany is peaceful again.
Sig by Durango
-Oscar WildeNow that the House of Commons is trying to become useful, it does a great deal of harm.
Re: 17th century
Oh Sultan, we are so sorry that you think we raiders and not warriors.
We to will carry on the war against the Ottomans, unless an arrangement is made by the Catholic Majesty of Spain.
"Nietzsche is dead" - God
"I agree, although I support China I support anyone discovering things for Science and humanity." - lenin96
Re: Pursuit of happiness
Have you just been dumped?
I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.
Re: 17th century
A noble man is different than your noblemen. A noble man is one who is just, compassionate, pious, loyal and generous. A noblemen is anyone with a title to large amounts of land, and in some cases is the opposite of a noble man.
And, King of Spain, you cannot motivate pirates and thieves with religion.
Last edited by IrishArmenian; 03-20-2007 at 23:59.
"Half of your brain is that of a ten year old and the other half is that of a ten year old that chainsmokes and drinks his liver dead!" --Hagop Beegan
Re: 17th century
If the germens must declare war I will fell that I must support my allies and then also bring my men to war.The Kaiser.
It is with a heavy heart that I put this to paper my fellow rulers. Germany is already so raveged as to make me weep nigh on end. But, unless some peaceful arrangment can be made I must declare my support for Spain whom did come to us in our time of need.
Announcement from the Kingdom of Sweden
Any ships caught infringing on the rights of the swedish merchent will be hunted down without mercy regardless of nationality. Any pirates disrupting trade in the Baltic will be treated as such even if they enjoy the protection of a royal king.
King Gustav II
When it occurs to a man that nature does not regard him as important and that she feels she would not maim the universe by disposing of him, he at first wishes to throw bricks at the temple, and he hates deeply the fact that there are no bricks and no temples
-Stephen Crane
Re: 17th century
All of this talk, king of Spain, about your enemies forsakign the honour, I pose a question: WHat honour does this world still have? THe answer is none, there is no mercy, there is much death, there is no forgiveness, but much cursing.
So in these years of comign war, I pledge my support to the Protestant Allaince, and forever curse Spain and its allies.
Re: 17th century
To Kaiser
"May we ask,in what are you declaring your support on Spain? Are you declaring war to Protestant coalition,while you just claimed neutrality? Or is this comment about the situation between Spain and The Sultan?"
Embassador of Netherlands
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
Re: 17th century
The Kaiser.
It is unfortunatley so, unless you are all ready to come to the table and settle you're greivences.
We declare our support for Spain, whom is inundated with enemies. However if all but England remove themselves form the war, we to shall do the same and declare apeace treaty.
Sig by Durango
-Oscar WildeNow that the House of Commons is trying to become useful, it does a great deal of harm.
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