17th century

**IrishArmenian** · 10-28-2006, 05:02

One question, Wyladysclaw, what will you bring to the great Nation of Russia?
(To Sigismund, and not the boyars) What do you have to gain from Wladyslaw becoming Tsar? Sooner or later, he will use his familial leverage to persuade Polish nobles to side with him and attack you, as many children do to their parents in the later years. What is in it for you?

**Marshal Murat** · 10-28-2006, 05:31

Wladyslaw will bring his fairness, judiciality, and a list of rights for the boyars.
Sigismund seeks nothing from this new tsar save for a diplomat of his government.

**Incongruous** · 10-28-2006, 06:29

The Holy Roman Emperor

So, false Tsar, you have always had war on you're mind have you? For we have never thraetened you with it. We see now, the grand coalition brought against us by you, oh serpent tongued rogue. If you wish war we shall not stop you from persecuting it. For it is the Machiavellian princes nature to do so. We however warn you not to interfere with our nation. The Elector of Brandenburg may dance to you're tune but the rest are still Germans at heart.

**Franconicus** · 10-28-2006, 13:10

Proclamations of Avignon

The border to Belgium is closed for all goods.

All ports in France as well as in the French oversea colonies are closed for Dutch ships.

No ship, neither a French one nor one from another party, is allowed to bring Dutch goods into a French harbor.

No French ship, merchant or company is allowed to sell or transport goods from France to the Dutch.

Royal French Government

**Rodion Romanovich** · 10-28-2006, 13:27

The Huguenots at the Protestant meeting in Copenhagen ask the French king what his business with the Southern Netherlands is. The Netherlands is a respectable nation and there is no reason why their honorable citizens should suffer from a whim from the French administration. The area has been handed over to the Netherlands in a valid and legal treaty made with Spain and signed by both parts. The Huguenots within France do not support this movement from the French king and ask what happened with the plans for a war with the Holy Roman Emperor, which was given as the reason for the withdrawal of Huguenot garrisoning rights? Catholic nobles in France also have reason to be unhappy about this aggression, seeing as it took ruthless taxation of troops for private security - and the destruction of many legendary French forts where both Huguenots and Catholics have bravely died side by side while defending France from outer threats in the past - to acquire the money needed for carrying out a mobilization for threatening the Southern Netherlands. We encourage all others attending the meeting to also sign this proclamation and warning.

**Rodion Romanovich** · 10-28-2006, 13:34

Official statement from Denmark:

1. how to react to the current situation in the Holy Roman Empire
- we believe that it is in the interest of the Protestants to react to the threats posed by the Emperor to the Protestant North. In order to assist our friends in Brandenburg, we will send 2,000 mercenaries to Brandenburg. We will also recommend the Emperor to withdraw his claims for a trial of the Brandenburg leader, or alternatively allow the trials to be held on neutral ground in Denmark. In case he is found guilty, the Brandenburg leader will be granted safety in Denmark, but leave his post. Brandenburg will then be handed over to his heir. However if he is found innocent he will continue as leader of Brandenburg, while the Emperor will pay a tribute corresponding to 30% of his annual income for 5 years.

2. how to react to the French vetoing the Dutch gaining control over Southern Netherlands
- we do not wish to sign the Huguenot Proclamation, but we wish to recommend to the French king not to interfere with the Southern Netherlands treaty. Denmark will also sign the Spanish-Dutch treaty as witness and protector of the treaty. We wish to maintain friendly relations to France by strenghtening our trade in a separate treaty.

3. how to improve trade conditions between Protestants by lowering tolls on trade between Protestants while maintaining tolls for trade with Catholics, and possibly offering reduced prices for trade with other Protestants
- We will sell first class warships at a 20% reduced cost to all Protestant nations, and also lower the Sound Straits toll for our Dutch friends for the coming 3 years due to their small economical debts and outer threats. In return, we would like the Netherlands to sign a treaty of buying their grain exclusively from Denmark for this entire period. The price for the grain will be reduced by 2%

4. the exact terms of military assistance within the Protestant Coalition. How many men should all be obligated to send, and under which conditions? How should it be decided which wars are considered in the interest of the Coalition to fight? And what should be the consequences of not following the rules and regulations of the Coalition?
- we suggest that the Coalition is formed around a small number of permanent representatives from each country. These representatives will act on behalf of their national leaders and vote about whether a particular war should be fought or not. If we decide a war should be fought, all nations will need to send at least 2,000 mercenaries per each 10,000 men in their standing armies to support the action. The armies should be under the command of a general elected by the Coalition

**IrishArmenian** · 10-28-2006, 18:05

Originally Posted by Marshal Murat

Wladyslaw will bring his fairness, judiciality, and a list of rights for the boyars.
Sigismund seeks nothing from this new tsar save for a diplomat of his government.

Ah, but you can have that with Wladyslaw as a boyar, for I will make him in charge of Russo-Polish relations. Signing a treaty for peace is a favor I will not forget. You are plauged by cynicism, thinking that I will betray you, for obviously, you would have no other reason to put Wladyslaw on the throne save for having a neigboring nation under the control of a puppet.

**Kagemusha** · 10-29-2006, 00:12

Official Statement of the representative of the United Provinces

1.how to react to the current situation in the Holy Roman Empire
The Republic will also keep supplying the Brandenburg with 2000 mercenaries and we support the Danish proposal to how to solve the crisis in Germany.

2.how to react to the French vetoing the Dutch gaining control over Southern Netherlands

The Republic will protect it self and its right of independancy and self Government. We are peacefull people and do not wish war with anyone. But if attacked we will protect our land and people. We have received a message of proclamation of Avignon about France embargoing our trade with them and denying our ships to come into their ports. For our part we will respect the French proclamation and will not try to brake it. We ourselves wont take such measures and the French trade ships are still wellcomed to Republics ports to get water and supplies if they need those.

3. how to improve trade conditions between Protestants by lowering tolls on trade between Protestants while maintaining tolls for trade with Catholics, and possibly offering reduced prices for trade with other Protestants

The Republic salutes Denmark for its generous offer and accepts it. For our part we will offer 2% discount from all exotic trade items we are porting from East Indias to our fellow Protestantic Nations.

4. the exact terms of military assistance within the Protestant Coalition. How many men should all be obligated to send, and under which conditions? How should it be decided which wars are considered in the interest of the Coalition to fight? And what should be the consequences of not following the rules and regulations of the Coalition?

Again we agree mostly with Denmark. Altough we would like to suggest that the mercenary force if sent would be straight under the command the country that has been attacked.This would make them more effective.

**Marshal Murat** · 10-29-2006, 04:17

Wladyslaw will be able to guarantee rights for the boyars, and his rule will be independent from the Polish Throne. Is there anything wrong with following the whim of the people? Are the boyars wrong to elect a man they think should rule in a more fair and judicial way, than a ruler who is only worried with his own estate?

**IrishArmenian** · 10-29-2006, 07:00

Ah, so that is the problem. You are decieved, I plan to give rights not only to the boyars, but to the common people. They are much more powerful than the mightiest of kings. That you think I only care for power insults me. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. How sure are you that Wladyslaw will never stab you in the back. I have sworn not to, yet the same cannot be said for my opponent. The Boyars are human and as such can be decieved by Wladyslaw's trickery, but I have never harmed them or coerced them. I had been advised to bully some, but they are all entitled to voice their respectable opinions. Thus far, Wladyslaw has not proven anything.

**Incongruous** · 10-29-2006, 10:45

A formal declaration of the Holy Roman Empire.

We here by declare war upon Denmark and the Dutch Rebels.
We hereby proclaim that any man who wishes to fight by our side will be rewarded with lands in newly conquered territories.

We declare that the state of Brandenburg be in a state of war with the Empire. Hereby it shall be treated as a foreign nation (until rebellion is subdued) by our armies and can expect no clemency unless surrenders are forthcoming.

We also declare a state of current neutrality with France which may be upheld if they remove the threat of war.

We also declare that the state of Belgium shall be liberated and left un-harmed.

The Government and Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire of The German Nation.