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    Official Statement of the representative of the United Provinces

    1.how to react to the current situation in the Holy Roman Empire
    The Republic will also keep supplying the Brandenburg with 2000 mercenaries and we support the Danish proposal to how to solve the crisis in Germany.


    2.how to react to the French vetoing the Dutch gaining control over Southern Netherlands

    The Republic will protect it self and its right of independancy and self Government. We are peacefull people and do not wish war with anyone. But if attacked we will protect our land and people. We have received a message of proclamation of Avignon about France embargoing our trade with them and denying our ships to come into their ports. For our part we will respect the French proclamation and will not try to brake it. We ourselves wont take such measures and the French trade ships are still wellcomed to Republics ports to get water and supplies if they need those.

    3. how to improve trade conditions between Protestants by lowering tolls on trade between Protestants while maintaining tolls for trade with Catholics, and possibly offering reduced prices for trade with other Protestants

    The Republic salutes Denmark for its generous offer and accepts it. For our part we will offer 2% discount from all exotic trade items we are porting from East Indias to our fellow Protestantic Nations.

    4. the exact terms of military assistance within the Protestant Coalition. How many men should all be obligated to send, and under which conditions? How should it be decided which wars are considered in the interest of the Coalition to fight? And what should be the consequences of not following the rules and regulations of the Coalition?

    Again we agree mostly with Denmark. Altough we would like to suggest that the mercenary force if sent would be straight under the command the country that has been attacked.This would make them more effective.
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    Wladyslaw will be able to guarantee rights for the boyars, and his rule will be independent from the Polish Throne. Is there anything wrong with following the whim of the people? Are the boyars wrong to elect a man they think should rule in a more fair and judicial way, than a ruler who is only worried with his own estate?
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    Ah, so that is the problem. You are decieved, I plan to give rights not only to the boyars, but to the common people. They are much more powerful than the mightiest of kings. That you think I only care for power insults me. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. How sure are you that Wladyslaw will never stab you in the back. I have sworn not to, yet the same cannot be said for my opponent. The Boyars are human and as such can be decieved by Wladyslaw's trickery, but I have never harmed them or coerced them. I had been advised to bully some, but they are all entitled to voice their respectable opinions. Thus far, Wladyslaw has not proven anything.

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    A formal declaration of the Holy Roman Empire.

    We here by declare war upon Denmark and the Dutch Rebels.
    We hereby proclaim that any man who wishes to fight by our side will be rewarded with lands in newly conquered territories.

    We declare that the state of Brandenburg be in a state of war with the Empire. Hereby it shall be treated as a foreign nation (until rebellion is subdued) by our armies and can expect no clemency unless surrenders are forthcoming.

    We also declare a state of current neutrality with France which may be upheld if they remove the threat of war.

    We also declare that the state of Belgium shall be liberated and left un-harmed.

    The Government and Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire of The German Nation.
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    Official statement from Denmark:

    If the Holy Roman Emperor brings us war for no more reason than that he fears our offer to mediate, protect justice and ensure a fair trial of the Elector of Brandenburg, then we see no reason why we should continue further negotiations with the Emperor. A strong coalition of Denmark, Brandenburg, Netherlands, France and Sweden stands ready to invade your heartlands as soon as you give enough proof that you will not tolerate justice and the tolerance of the Protestant faith. With your formal declaration of war upon yet another nation that has committed no other crime than seeking justice and offering to mediate in one of your conflicts, you have given enough reason for us to strike into your heartlands in full force, but we will still give you one more chance of recalling your statement, the outmost folly that it is.

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    Official statement from Denmark:

    It has come to our attention that France has ordered the withdrawal of their representatives from the meeting we are holding in Copenhagen. We hope that this is not a sign that France is growing less tolerant of their Protestant minorities. Some of the Huguenot representatives have explained that they refuse to return to France given the recent actions from the French government, and they will be granted safety and new homes in Denmark, as will any other Huguenots who are threatened by the firm and intolerant French rule. The offer to France for lowered tolls through the Sound Straits will not be offered again, but the offer remains for the other nations attending the meeting.
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    Does a dog bite the hand it feeds? Why would Wladyslaw attack me, for blood is stronger than ink. Wladyslaw will be a fair and judicial ruler. If he is not, he will incur the wrath of the boyars. The boyars know that you are a boyar, you have said it yourself. No matter what titles you decline, the boyars know that you only seek to meet your ends. Those ends are the advancement of your family in the nation, giving titles to friends and fellows, dispersing land to whoever to wish to give it to. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is why Wladyslaw brings rights to the boyars, so they may have half the power in the nation, and Wladyslaw will not have absolute power, and will not absolutely be corrupted.
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    Official statement of the Republic of Netherlands.

    Has the Emperor gone mad? Why he declares war to Denmark and Netherlands when we are trying to help to resolve the crisis? We suggest that the Emperor will reconsider the issue again, we dont understand what kind of Casus Belli The Emperor has to declare war in this situation?

    Embassador of Netherlands in Vienna
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
    Does a dog bite the hand it feeds? Why would Wladyslaw attack me, for blood is stronger than ink.
    If I remember correctly, Sigismund, he was disowned and no longer a member of your family. You seem to contradict yourself here.
    You have also said something along the lines of: Wladyslaw will not be a Polish puppet, yet Poland seems to be "the hand that feeds it" (Not the hand it feeds. Could you make up your mind about this?
    If this was not a power play, I would remain Tsar and just sign a treatie. Obviously, there is something shady you have in mind. Why else would you endorse two usurpers, one of which is dead and the other is your son, for whom you cannot decide whether or not to disown him as per the contract or keep him in yiur family, therefore defaulting to me as Tsar.
    On a much more friendly note, I hope we can both unite against the Holy Roman Emperor. If I am abusing my power, I don't want to know what Emperor Matthias is doing. He must be stopped! All who disagree with him are supposedly his enemies. If I take my main army to his land to assist my ally, Brandengburg, will you help supress uprisings? Matthias will come for you soon, for your deal with us, the Orthodox Rus. He believes he is mandated by God and as such shall fight until all his men are dead. You must help rid the world of the Matthias as soon as quickly. France too, take up arms against the Holy Roman Emperor.
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