I think i'll just give up on this whole idea. I just conducted a search for an x800 or an x850 xt but all the ones I found had ridiculous price tags and were being sold by random companies i've never heard of. My backup plan was to get the x850 pro from a website I definately trust called lowestonweb.com. I went on it just now to get the address of the product page so I could hyperlink it here and it turns out they've changed their website layout and also got rid of a load of products including the x850. I could get the same card from amazon for £139 but thats far more than the £113 I would have paid. Ah well, i wont be able to get the new card until the end of the month anyway so I s'pose i'll just keep my eyes peeled. Thanks for the help, there's definately no way i'll be getting the x1600 pro so this discussion has achieved something at least. It might be quite good if this thread was turned into a general discussion for graphics cards and related problems...just a thought.