We are saved !

[English assassin]

Well, maybe not.

Its that pesky first law of thermodynamics again. Here's an article about the latest lot that claim to have broken it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/st...858134,00.html

I can't say my hopes are that high, but on the other hand since they aren't trying to sell anything just yet, and since they do seem to want scientific scrutiny, well, its an interesting read for the friday before a bank holiday anyway.

Personally I refer to Assassin's first law of reality ("anything is real that can be used to generate money") , and ask myself why, if they can't get scientists interested, they don't just start making, say, radios that never need batteries and never run down. Sell, hell, give away, a few tens of thousands of those babies and people would have to take note.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Well, maybe not.

Its that pesky first law of thermodynamics again. Here's an article about the latest lot that claim to have broken it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/st...858134,00.html

I can't say my hopes are that high, but on the other hand since they aren't trying to sell anything just yet, and since they do seem to want scientific scrutiny, well, its an interesting read for the friday before a bank holiday anyway.

Yes, it's an interesting diversion but seems wholly unlikely. Stranger things have happened though - we'll see more when someone gets a chance to duplicate their findings.

Personally I refer to Assassin's first law of reality ("anything is real that can be used to generate money") , ...

By that measure, God is real and building a spanking new multiplex-mall-church near you...

[Keba]

Well, impossible is defined as a lack of imagination and incentive, thus, this might be possible.

Although I've a hard time believing those people, since they seem to have wasted a lot of money in this, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Although this reminds me of an homework assignment I had in physics in High School, I miscalculated and my results indicated that that particular dynamo produced power equivalent to a nuclear reactor. This could just be a miscalculation on their part.

[Vladimir]

Well if they are right we have, what, 30 years before enough old traditionalists die off. I hate groupthink, I really do. The part about it being a CIA plot was really funny though.

[macsen rufus]

Nice if it is true, but I'm afraid my groupthink won't see any way round the Three Laws ("You can't win, you can't break even, and you can't quit the game"). I spent far too much time reading "Cold Fusion Journal" a few years ago, and pity my friend who sank his savings into a company that was to sell all the new CF and Russian water vortex devices.... deja vu strikes again again.

But of course all scientific ideas are open to disproof, so time will tell....

[English assassin]

By that measure, God is real and building a spanking new multiplex-mall-church near you...

That's the glory of Assassin's first law. It is nothing if not empirical.

[Ja'chyra]

Personally I find it highly amusing that so many people, on the companies forum, who dismiss the idea as impossible just because we haven't been able to do it yet and someone wrote a THEORY.

People are so arrogant at times

[Sjakihata]

I can't say my hopes are that high, but on the other hand since they aren't trying to sell anything just yet

Well, they are a part of a company, which might have an interrest in hoaxing so their stock prices goes up - then sell.

Im not even willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Keba]

Announcing something considered impossible by the community and not showing it around is hardly something that will drive stock-prices up.

Also, stock prices do not really affect a company. Stocks are a way of gaining the initial pool of money necessary to start up a business. Once they are sold, it doesn't really matter, apart from the fact that the stock-holders get some say in the company and get a portion of the profits if they so opt.

[English assassin]

Well, they are a part of a company, which might have an interrest in hoaxing so their stock prices goes up - then sell.

Im not even willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Its not a quoted company. Also this is called "fraud".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

How much are the emails of 40,000 scientifically minded wishful thinkers worth?

[BDC]

Be funny if it works. Bye bye oil companies.

[macsen rufus]

Be funny if it works. Bye bye oil companies.

Nah, they'll just buy up all the rights and sink it, like all the other perpetual motion machines and water-powered cars that never made it to market

[doc_bean]

Well, they at least deserve their jury to judge whether or not they produced anything interesting.

Reminds me of another inventor who had invented a similar engine, he claimed it worked because of the gravitational fields of celestial objects. Never heard anything about it again

[Somebody Else]

Probably a case of potential energy, like in a spring, stored in the mountings, being released. I dunno, I'm an old sceptic I suppose...

[Vladimir]

It does seem kind of odd in that I think something like this would normally take place in a vacuum. What I read seems to imply that it doesn't require one.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Steorn is a technology and intellectual-property development company. "We did difficult things. If someone had an idea that they wanted to make work, we'd work on it with them, help them recruit staff and get them through to their first product.

Right, so these guys are specialized in turning ideas into products AND they're sitting on the greatest invention of modern times AND their company has a war-chest too.

Yet, they can't find a way to turn their amazing discovery into something tangible or marketable...?

[Divinus Arma]

By that measure, God is real and building a spanking new multiplex-mall-church near you...

I have actually seen one of these. Rick Warren, famous for his "Purpose Driven Life" Book, is a pastor at a huge mall-church in Orange County, California. It has a coffee shop, book store, cafe, Jesus retail shop (w/ bobbleheads!), and etc.

Is this religious capitalism or merely services to the church-going community where they can share ideals?

[Vladimir]

I have actually seen one of these. Rick Warren, famous for his "Purpose Driven Life" Book, is a pastor at a huge mall-church in Orange County, California. It has a coffee shop, book store, cafe, Jesus retail shop (w/ bobbleheads!), and etc.

Is this religious capitalism or merely services to the church-going community where they can share ideals?

Ever see the movie Luther? It seemed a bit rosey but the depictions of Rome couldn't have been far off. Didn't this crap spark the reformation and a whole lot of nasty wars?

[Crazed Rabbit]

I bet they will all drown in another accident involving a BP oil rig work boat.

For some reason, I am reminded of Argentina.

Crazed Rabbit

[Oaty]

I know a way to make unlimited energy. Use venascular tubing to bring water to a height, and from ther you can let the water rush through a generator producing electricity. The only question is how big the system would be to supply just a small town

Anyways what venascular tubing is, is a tube that causes water to flow upwards instead of downwards. I saw one of these tubes in chemistry class but forgot how much water one of these tubes could pump in an hour, I just remember it wasnt much.

Anyway must be a conspiracy as I had only 1 returned result on a google search for "venascular" tubing and googles spelling correction was nowhere close


Venascular tubing

So soon an agency will request that all my posts be removed from this forum and I will disappear forever, as they don't want anyone to know about this potential unlimited energy source.

Anyways heres Vascular plants wich should give you an idea how the tubing works.

[Duke of Gloucester]

It is called Visking tubing, and the water rises because of osmosis. I can't be bothered to work out exactly how the three laws of thermodynamics apply to osmosis but you can bet two things

1. They do apply
2. You are not the first one to think of using Visking tubing for this purpose.

Here is a wiki link: wikipedia link

[Papewaio]

The water rises in the tubes because of capillary action... this is where the liquid is more attracted to the solid walls then the rest of the liquid.

My educated guess is that if the tube is short enough and the water flows over the top and back into a bowl, one would find over time that the water cools.

[Duke of Gloucester]

My educated guess is that if the tube is short enough and the water flows over the top and back into a bowl, one would find over time that the water cools.

Must be more to it than that, because that would violate the 2nd Law of thermodynamics.

[English assassin]

I might be wrong here, but how can capillary action ever cause water to overspill the top of the capillary?

IIRC water flow in xylem in plants is not capillary action but is driven by evaporation of water from the leaves, ie the top of the column. No mystery what the energy source is there (heat).

[doc_bean]

I might be wrong here, but how can capillary action ever cause water to overspill the top of the capillary?

I was thinking the same thing, but it's definitely not my area of expertise. If the water goes above the tube then technically there would be no 'surface' within the tube and surface tension effects would be negated, wouldn't they ?

[yesdachi]

Flight 212 prepare to take off over YesDachi’s head…

(YesDachi making plane noises while walking out of the room totally confused )

[Papewaio]

Stand a 0.1mm wide glass tube of about 10cm in a beaker... it can lie against the side.

Fill the beaker with about 5cm of water, and watch what happens with the water.

Remember the top of a tube has edges too.

And if you have access to a bunsen, with a bit of work you can make a curved tube like a walking cane... watch what happens with that one.

[English assassin]

TELL US OH GREAT ONE ;-)

I still don't get it though. OK, the top of the tube has sides. The water is more attracted to the sides than it is to its fellow water molecules. This is all fine all the while you have dry sides (or top) and water moving up the tube to contact those sides. I can see how we get flow there. But to get bulk flow there comes a point where you have to seperate the water from the capilary side/top and return it to the resevoir below. That has to require an energy input, since we are seperating the water from contact with the sides, which it likes more, and returning it to the water, which it likes less.

Certainly in plants the energy input comes from heat driving evaporation.