The White Native Americans Theory

[The Stranger]

I have heard yes that the aztecs (king atleast) was so fond of Cortez because they though he was some kind of prophet. There is a tale that says that their first godking was a white blond bearded man from the east. he came by big white sheets (sails i think).

Dutch Guy
Why were you doing that ?

I was looking for a discussion

Trashaholic
so you believe in the theory right? But if so, they only colonized the east of the US and probably most parts are now in the ocean.

But what if change it. that they came from asia and sailed to europe?

and would they count as caucasian (white). those peoplewho are said to have come from spain (later immigrated to france and ireland) as which race do they count. Not anglo-saxon... so why are they counted as white/caucasian...

[thrashaholic]

Trashaholic
so you believe in the theory right? But if so, they only colonized the east of the US and probably most parts are now in the ocean.

But what if change it. that they came from asia and sailed to europe?

and would they count as caucasian (white). those peoplewho are said to have come from spain (later immigrated to france and ireland) as which race do they count. Not anglo-saxon... so why are they counted as white/caucasian...

I must say I do believe it. I find it very hard to believe that no-one sailed west from Europe and made it until the Vikings, and an ice age would have been the perfect time to do it. Not many people would've been needed to start a settlement in a completely uninhabited land, especially with the survival skills stone-age man would've had. Their settlements could well be under the sea now, or just confused with Amerindian sites, or just have been so few in number that they haven't been discovered.

As to their 'whiteness', well they certainly weren't indo-European, but that wouldn't mean they weren't white. There are plenty of people in Europe who aren't indo-European, but are white, the Basques for example, and as I understand the Finns and Lapps and other Urgic people are too, plus I'd imagine there's plenty of pre-Indo-European descent in Britain too (apparently, most British and Irish people are descended from a few original stone age settlers apart from the odd influx of continental genetic stock).

[Redleg]

The only valid theory I have ever come across concerning a non-asian pre-historic actually comes from remains that were found near Kenniwick, Washington. Sciencists were unable to discern if the remains were from another possible migrantion group because of legal actions.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11532671/

Now one can find some different theories about it by typing in Kennewick man - its however a better starting point then going so some white supremist web site.

[The Stranger]

I must say I do believe it. I find it very hard to believe that no-one sailed west from Europe and made it until the Vikings, and an ice age would have been the perfect time to do it. Not many people would've been needed to start a settlement in a completely uninhabited land, especially with the survival skills stone-age man would've had. Their settlements could well be under the sea now, or just confused with Amerindian sites, or just have been so few in number that they haven't been discovered.

As to their 'whiteness', well they certainly weren't indo-European, but that wouldn't mean they weren't white. There are plenty of people in Europe who aren't indo-European, but are white, the Basques for example, and as I understand the Finns and Lapps and other Urgic people are too, plus I'd imagine there's plenty of pre-Indo-European descent in Britain too (apparently, most British and Irish people are descended from a few original stone age settlers apart from the odd influx of continental genetic stock).

allright, that makes me want to rethink another statement.

Redleg
I never went to that site with the intention to look for such theories. i was debating a certain point when they brought this theory up to counter my argument. i must say it came unexpected and i did not have something to put against it. therefor i now want to know how realistic this theory is.

[Redleg]

. therefor i now want to know how realistic this theory is.

If the research can be concluded on the Kennewick man many of the aspects of a possible realistic theory can be concluded.

[GoreBag]

There was a bit in the Monastery once about a possibly Welsh colony in the Americas (Madoc, was it?). There were a few interesting links there. Dig it up, I say.

[Papewaio]

There was a bit in the Monastery once about a possibly Welsh colony in the Americas (Madoc, was it?). There were a few interesting links there. Dig it up, I say.

Thats in South America, but it is a relatively modern colony

The Patagonian Chubut Valley has a significant Welsh-descended population.

These particular Europeans would have come from modern-day France but I don't know who they are related to today, as they were pre-Celtic.

I haven't heard any actual claims of genicide, not in an organised sense. I believe that they were partly forced out and partly bread out.

Well if they were French maybe it wasn't genocide, maybe they just ran away.

[GoreBag]

Thats in South America, but it is a relatively modern colony

I remember that thread featuring an article about North America, but I could wrong.

[thrashaholic]

There was a bit in the Monastery once about a possibly Welsh colony in the Americas (Madoc, was it?). There were a few interesting links there. Dig it up, I say.

Do you mean the Mandan Amerindians who were reported to speak Welsh, have blue eyes and live in stone houses, unlike any of the surrounding tribes?

Supposedly Prince Madog ab Owain Gwynedd set up a Welsh colony in north America in the late 12th century and mixed with the Mandan tribe. Unfortunately smallpox wiped the tribe out, so we can't really tell whether it's true. Here's a link giving more detail:

http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com...n/mandans.html

[The Stranger]

damn smallpox... i really would like to know