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It was reported today that Novak's source was Richard Armitage, a State Dept official.
That's probably going to make Wilson's lawsuit alot harder.
That's probably going to make Wilson's lawsuit alot harder.
Well thank goodness for that, seeing as it was the only CIA leak case worth worrying about.
To think someone might have casually leaked something that could be construed by nutjobs as a serious partisan attack!
Oh well, now we can get back to not demanding investigations into who leaks state secrets.
Crazed Rabbit
To think someone might have casually leaked something that could be construed by nutjobs as a serious partisan attack!
Oh well, now we can get back to not demanding investigations into who leaks state secrets.
Crazed Rabbit
State, STATE?!?!?!?! 
After all this?! I probably shouldn't most more; I'm vexed, terribly vexed.
After all this?! I probably shouldn't most more; I'm vexed, terribly vexed.It does bring a few interesting thoughts to mind though....
Armitage (obviously) and Powell (apparently) knew who the leaker was from the very beginning. Yet, they chose to say nothing despite orders from the Whitehouse for the leaker to come forward... why did they just sit idly by and watch the controversy grow and grow?
Also, it makes you wonder what kind of fishing expedition Fitzgerald was really on when he knew from the outset of his investigation who the leaker was...
Armitage (obviously) and Powell (apparently) knew who the leaker was from the very beginning. Yet, they chose to say nothing despite orders from the Whitehouse for the leaker to come forward... why did they just sit idly by and watch the controversy grow and grow?
Also, it makes you wonder what kind of fishing expedition Fitzgerald was really on when he knew from the outset of his investigation who the leaker was...
Onward with the Secret Revolution! The Manchurian Candidate will win!
Hmm. I've been pondering this a bit.
It seems that the big, enormous hubub some people raised about how this was some evil conspiracy by the puppetmaster Karl Rove to lash out against people who critized Bush was wrong.
Funny, isn't it? This was a huge story, it became imperative to many who normally love it when CIA stuff is leaked that we find this leaker and throw them into a deep dungeon.
And now we don't get a 'oops, I guess you all weren't Bush lapdogs'.
Ah well.
Crazed Rabbit
It seems that the big, enormous hubub some people raised about how this was some evil conspiracy by the puppetmaster Karl Rove to lash out against people who critized Bush was wrong.
Funny, isn't it? This was a huge story, it became imperative to many who normally love it when CIA stuff is leaked that we find this leaker and throw them into a deep dungeon.
And now we don't get a 'oops, I guess you all weren't Bush lapdogs'.
Ah well.
Crazed Rabbit
Please note the absence of interest, even among frequenters of this forum.
The mission was accomplished with partial success, the rest is just fallout and ignorable as it does not support the overall campaign.
The mission was accomplished with partial success, the rest is just fallout and ignorable as it does not support the overall campaign.
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
Please note the absence of interest, even among frequenters of this forum.
Amazing isn't it. Please note the absence of interest, even among frequenters of this forum.
Well, I don't know what's going on in the first place. So before one starts giving sarcastic remarks it might be a better path to humour the ignorants like me first.
Well Antioch it goes like this .
Someone gets a job to investigate claims about Saddams WMDs , the administration put forward those findings as "proof" .
The bloke that did the investigating says thats bollox , that ain't what I found .
The press turn round and say you can't call it bollox as you are a muppet who only got the job because of your wifes job .
The wifes employers say , oi you can't talk about his wife its a secret .
The press say , it can't be a secret as everyone knows .
The adminisration say , what do you mean everyone knows ?
The press says , of course they know , we just told them .
The admin say , but how did you know .
The press say , you told us .
The admin say , no we didn't as its a secret and anyone who did tell you is gonna be in deep trouble .
The world says , pull the other one its got bells on .
The admin says , no really this is serious we need to investigate , we need the truth we need justice .
The investigation says , naughty admin , perjury and obstructing justice ,bad admin .
The saga continues .
Oh and add in imprisoning journalists for not revealing their sources , even if the journalists didn't write about the wife , as they knew the story and the sources so they must be guilty right . But since the administration was the source and knew it was the source from the start surely they should have been jailing themselves .
Someone gets a job to investigate claims about Saddams WMDs , the administration put forward those findings as "proof" .
The bloke that did the investigating says thats bollox , that ain't what I found .
The press turn round and say you can't call it bollox as you are a muppet who only got the job because of your wifes job .
The wifes employers say , oi you can't talk about his wife its a secret .
The press say , it can't be a secret as everyone knows .
The adminisration say , what do you mean everyone knows ?
The press says , of course they know , we just told them .
The admin say , but how did you know .
The press say , you told us .
The admin say , no we didn't as its a secret and anyone who did tell you is gonna be in deep trouble .
The world says , pull the other one its got bells on .
The admin says , no really this is serious we need to investigate , we need the truth we need justice .
The investigation says , naughty admin , perjury and obstructing justice ,bad admin .
The saga continues .
Oh and add in imprisoning journalists for not revealing their sources , even if the journalists didn't write about the wife , as they knew the story and the sources so they must be guilty right . But since the administration was the source and knew it was the source from the start surely they should have been jailing themselves .
All I can say is that the backroom needs search capability. I owe alot of people a big "told ya so".
I owe alot of people a big "told ya so".
Really Xiahou , and why would that be .....But officials at the White House also told reporters about Wilson's wife in an effort to discredit Wilson for his public attacks on Bush's handling of Iraq intelligence. Karl Rove confirmed to Novak that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, and days later offered the same information to Time reporter Matt Cooper.
All this revelation about Armitage shows is that your Administration contains more idiots than was previously thought (if that could really be possible), hardly something for a blind loyalist like yourself to shout about is it .
In fact if you can recall your "told ya so" at the time (as was Gawains)was that nothing had been done wrong , no laws had been broken and Plame wasn't even covered under the covert status protections , so forget your "told ya so" as what you told was false .
Or is your memory failing you
Really Xiahou , and why would that be .....But officials at the White House also told reporters about Wilson's wife in an effort to discredit Wilson for his public attacks on Bush's handling of Iraq intelligence. Karl Rove confirmed to Novak that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, and days later offered the same information to Time reporter Matt Cooper.
All this revelation about Armitage shows is that your Administration contains more idiots than was previously thought (if that could really be possible), hardly something for a blind loyalist like yourself to shout about is it .
In fact if you can recall your "told ya so" at the time (as was Gawains)was that nothing had been done wrong , no laws had been broken and Plame wasn't even covered under the covert status protections , so forget your "told ya so" as what you told was false .
Or is your memory failing you
I always liked what I saw of Richard Armitage. He made regular appearances on the UK's Channel 4 news providing a US State Department perspective on current events. The most memorable things about him were his physical appearance - he has an amazingly thick neck and a gravelly voice - he was every inch the grizzled ex-soldier - and how open-minded and candid he seemed. Probably too candid, I guess.
In terms of partisan scoring, Tribesman has just quoted the part of the piece that lept out at me.
In terms of partisan scoring, Tribesman has just quoted the part of the piece that lept out at me.
Originally Posted by econ21:
In terms of partisan scoring, Tribesman has just quoted the part of the piece that lept out at me.
What about this?In terms of partisan scoring, Tribesman has just quoted the part of the piece that lept out at me.
Originally Posted by :
The disclosures about Armitage, gleaned from interviews with colleagues, friends and lawyers directly involved in the case, underscore one of the ironies of the Plame investigation: that the initial leak, seized on by administration critics as evidence of how far the White House was willing to go to smear an opponent, came from a man who had no apparent intention of harming anyone.
Rove's confirmation, according to Novak, amounted to a response of "You've heard that too?" when asked whether Wilson's wife worked at the CIA. I guess that counts as revenge... on some planet. The disclosures about Armitage, gleaned from interviews with colleagues, friends and lawyers directly involved in the case, underscore one of the ironies of the Plame investigation: that the initial leak, seized on by administration critics as evidence of how far the White House was willing to go to smear an opponent, came from a man who had no apparent intention of harming anyone.
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
In fact if you can recall your "told ya so" at the time (as was Gawains)was that nothing had been done wrong , no laws had been broken and Plame wasn't even covered under the covert status protections , so forget your "told ya so" as what you told was false .
And what laws were broken? The only resulting charge was against Libby for something that happened during the investigation. No one was ever charged for doing anything illegal related to the leak- let alone convicted. And we now know that the person who actually blew Plame's cover was an administration critic on Iraq and that he did it in passing- not willfully.In fact if you can recall your "told ya so" at the time (as was Gawains)was that nothing had been done wrong , no laws had been broken and Plame wasn't even covered under the covert status protections , so forget your "told ya so" as what you told was false .
This is so delightful I just want to crap myself in a river and let fish swim up my ass. Hmmm. On second thought maybe not. But it still amuses me to no end.
It would amuse me too if it wasn't so sad. The pseudo aristocracy in State really need to decide what State they're working for. Perhaps we should sell them to the UN and contract them out on occasion, they'd fit right in.
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
In fact if you can recall your "told ya so" at the time (as was Gawains)was that nothing had been done wrong , no laws had been broken and Plame wasn't even covered under the covert status protections , so forget your "told ya so" as what you told was false .
Its so nice to see Im still remembered here. I hate to say I told you so but......Originally Posted by Tribesman
In fact if you can recall your "told ya so" at the time (as was Gawains)was that nothing had been done wrong , no laws had been broken and Plame wasn't even covered under the covert status protections , so forget your "told ya so" as what you told was false .
Its so nice to see Im still remembered here
Glad to see you back , I hope you and the rest of the family are bearing up Ok under the circumstances .You and yours will be added to the thoughts and prayers when that time comes around again .
However hate to say I told you so but..........bollox on the whole , but you did have a valid point about Fitz , or if I recall correctly two valid points , but on the rest , your "told ya so " is in the same league as Xiahou .
Glad to see you back , I hope you and the rest of the family are bearing up Ok under the circumstances .You and yours will be added to the thoughts and prayers when that time comes around again .
However hate to say I told you so but..........bollox
on the whole , but you did have a valid point about Fitz , or if I recall correctly two valid points , but on the rest , your "told ya so " is in the same league as Xiahou .Originally Posted by :
Glad to see you back , I hope you and the rest of the family are bearing up Ok under the circumstances .You and yours will be added to the thoughts and prayers when that time comes around again .
Why thank you. Seems they didnt work so well though as would you believe I was robbed at gun point 2 weeks ago in my house? Glad to see you back , I hope you and the rest of the family are bearing up Ok under the circumstances .You and yours will be added to the thoughts and prayers when that time comes around again .
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but on the rest , your "told ya so " is in the same league as Xiahou
The rest covers a lot of territory. Maybe you could be a bit more specific.but on the rest , your "told ya so " is in the same league as Xiahou
Seems they didnt work so well though as would you believe I was robbed at gun point 2 weeks ago in my house?
So sorry Gawain , I didn't realise thoughts and prayers for the departed were supposed to prevent criminality .
The rest covers a lot of territory. Maybe you could be a bit more specific.
errrrrrr.....you quoted it , would you like to examine the points in the bit you quoted.....In fact if you can recall your "told ya so" at the time (as was Gawains)was that nothing had been done wrong , no laws had been broken and Plame wasn't even covered under the covert status protections , so forget your "told ya so" as what you told was false ...would you like to get into specifics ?
So sorry Gawain , I didn't realise thoughts and prayers for the departed were supposed to prevent criminality .
The rest covers a lot of territory. Maybe you could be a bit more specific.
errrrrrr.....you quoted it , would you like to examine the points in the bit you quoted.....In fact if you can recall your "told ya so" at the time (as was Gawains)was that nothing had been done wrong , no laws had been broken and Plame wasn't even covered under the covert status protections , so forget your "told ya so" as what you told was false ...would you like to get into specifics ?
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So sorry Gawain , I didn't realise thoughts and prayers for the departed were supposed to prevent criminality
Sorry I took it as prayers for the well being of me and my family in general.So sorry Gawain , I didn't realise thoughts and prayers for the departed were supposed to prevent criminality
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was that nothing had been done wrong
The only thing done wrong was Fitzgerald pursuing an investigation he already knew the answer to.was that nothing had been done wrong
Originally Posted by :
, no laws had been broken
None were and theres still no proof any where. Theres only the charge of purgery that has yet to be proven and it shouldnt have gotten to that point in the first place and this is after the fact., no laws had been broken
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Plame wasn't even covered under the covert status protections
And she wasnt.Plame wasn't even covered under the covert status protections
Gawain:
You need to plunk down some money on a powerball -- you are definitely experiencing a year of "against the odds" happenings.
My condolences and prayers that you and yours fare better.
You need to plunk down some money on a powerball -- you are definitely experiencing a year of "against the odds" happenings.
My condolences and prayers that you and yours fare better.
Holy crap Gawain.
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