Gotta have more Mafia [Concluded]

[Crazed Rabbit]

Once is enough-Sasaki
sorry -CR

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

We have pretty much established that I am a bad cop, and those who turn up guilty on my investigations are innocent, as has been the trend with my past investigations.

However, Sigurd Fafnesbane has been the only one who has turned up innocent. If I am the bad cop, which is probably true (all my previous investigations were the opposite of the truth), then Sigurd Fafnesbane must also, logically, be the opposite of the investigation.

Lynch Sigurd!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Evil Maniac From mars has been found beaten to death by a chinese kung fu master.

Sigurd was woken during the night by a rustling in his garbage bins. He investigated to find that all of his garbage bins had been stolen. He called the police and the came and searched everywhere for fingerprints but could find none.

Killed(8):
Discovery1 (Bus Driver)
Silver Rusher (Italian Mafioso + Romeo)
gertgregoor (cop)
Kommodus (mason)
GeneralHankerchief(cop)
SSNeoperestroika(mayor)
Ice(Italian Mafioso)
Ignoramus(prostitute)
Evil_maniac from mars (cop)

Suicide(1):
Drisos (Juliet)

Left Town(2):
Divinus Arma (Jerry)
B_Ray (Mason)


Executed(6):
Orb (Chinese Mafia)
Zalmoxis (doctor)
Lemur (Tom)
doc_bean(Italian Godfather)
Crazed Rabbit (Serial Killer)
Tiberius (Mason)

Alive (5):
Reenk Roink
Cowhead418
Wonderland
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Dutch_Guy

Begin voting. 48 hours. With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

[Cowhead418]

Sigurd succeeded in leading us astray last vote, but he won't do it a second time. Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane

[Reenk Roink]

The behind the scenes hero, capturer of Orb, has hit Sig's house twice?

It shows he was sleeping. He can't be a "active in the night" kind of guy (at least not this night), but it doesn't rule out the possibility of a "Godfather" type figure...

Still, it's not enough to go on either side.

I'm going to courteously abstain as of now, and maybe this whole round (Sasaki, if it is mandatory to vote, just count a vote against myself, because I can't vote against anybody without a good cause).

I also want to see what Sig has to say about B-Ray and Tiberius.

Maybe then I'll decide to vote...

[Dooz]

I'll wait on more talks before casting a definite vote myself. However, if time elapses and it's mandatory, I'm gonna' go with vote: Cowhead418.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If there's going to be actual discussion I'll extend the time limit.

[Avicenna]

I wondered when I;d be bumped off for inactivity.

Far longer than I thought it would take.

[Cowhead418]

I'll wait on more talks before casting a definite vote myself. However, if time elapses and it's mandatory, I'm gonna' go with vote: Cowhead418.

So, what are your reasons for this vote? If we do not lynch a mafia now, the game is over.

BTW, Sigurd went on and on about how the mafia were going to try and kill him 'now that they knew what his role was.' What role is that Sigurd? By not telling us, you are just making it look more and more like you are the Chinese Godfather. What is this special ability? Why is it hard for the mafia to kill you? Why did EMFM's investigation turn out innocent for you but guilty for all the villagers he investigated? He was a cop so he wouldn't lie about it if it helps the village. You also accused B-Ray of being the Godfather and he has been out of town for nine days. Both people you accused last round turned out to be masons. Care to explain yourself?

[Sigurd]

But the statement that someone else was going to be happy about his situation may indicate that *he* is Tom (or, possibly, Jerry, but Tom seems much more likely). If that's the case, he's innocent.

My whole case against B-Ray was the Tom & Jerry situation.
When Lemur was imprisoned the mafia got to know who he was.
Only two players voiced the possibility that Lemur was Tom and that was B_Ray and doc_bean.

And I have to confess now that the game is nearly over, that I am a nightly wanderer.
I am the terrorist. I can target a person at night and we will both be killed.
Not a very helpful role unless I take with me a mafia at the exact right moment during the game. But there is a catch. I have only a 50/50 chance of succeeding. If the person I target is not killable i.e a Godfather, I will not succeed whatsoever.
I have suspected B_Ray for quite some time and even made an attempt at him.
When I did not succeed I was either a victim of the 50/50 or he was not killable at night.
Now that we know that Tiberius and B_Ray were Masons I am practically stumped.
What happened last night also has me stumped. I don’t really know what happened.
Seeing my logic falling apart I wanted to make amends and go for the least likely target just to see if I could get a result; so I targeted Cowhead418.
I did not succeed of course but according to the results of night 7 I didn’t even leave the house.
Either Cowhead418 is the thief which blocked my role or the 50% chance will show up as if I never left the house if I fail on the die roll.
I always believed Reenk Roink was the Thief, he gave a few hints of this during the game and you still do RR. Seeing that I was targeted by the thief also last night makes me confused as my target that night was B_Ray.
I am really stumped right now.

[Reenk Roink]

I am really stumped right now.

But now I am not!

This is excellent Sig, you've helped us a lot.

I think we've finally got it...

I must confess, I am the hobo. Read it again: hobo. I'm quite sick of all the slander and this "thief" label...

Anyway, I don't know why the mafia are so inept not to go after the exposer of Orb and hint giver on other matters.

After all, I don't know how more conspicuous I could have been:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=125

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=142

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=248

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=324

Anyway, you made a very good point last time (though in retrospect, it obviously wasn't all that it was cracked up to be).

But there was still something fishy, so I raided your house again for more beer, newspapers, and clues.

Now that we know who you are, we can concentrate on who is the mafia/mafia related dude.

Cowhead418, Wonderland, and Dutch_Guy are without alibi's as of now, but we need more clues.

Hopefully they will also confess their roles...

[Cowhead418]

My whole case against B-Ray was the Tom & Jerry situation.
When Lemur was imprisoned the mafia got to know who he was.
Only two players voiced the possibility that Lemur was Tom and that was B_Ray and doc_bean.

And I have to confess now that the game is nearly over, that I am a nightly wanderer.
I am the terrorist. I can target a person at night and we will both be killed.
Not a very helpful role unless I take with me a mafia at the exact right moment during the game. But there is a catch. I have only a 50/50 chance of succeeding. If the person I target is not killable i.e a Godfather, I will not succeed whatsoever.
I have suspected B_Ray for quite some time and even made an attempt at him.
When I did not succeed I was either a victim of the 50/50 or he was not killable at night.
Now that we know that Tiberius and B_Ray were Masons I am practically stumped.
What happened last night also has me stumped. I don’t really know what happened.
Seeing my logic falling apart I wanted to make amends and go for the least likely target just to see if I could get a result; so I targeted Cowhead418.
I did not succeed of course but according to the results of night 7 I didn’t even leave the house.
Either Cowhead418 is the thief which blocked my role or the 50% chance will show up as if I never left the house if I fail on the die roll.
I always believed Reenk Roink was the Thief, he gave a few hints of this during the game and you still do RR. Seeing that I was targeted by the thief also last night makes me confused as my target that night was B_Ray.
I am really stumped right now.

Alright, that makes sense. As of now, there are five of us left, two mafia and three villagers. This means that if we do not lynch a mafia each of the next two rounds we are done for. If what you say is true and you are the terrorist, then this means that you and I are villagers while two of Dutch_Guy, Wonderland, and Reenk Roink are the remaining mafiosi. I realize that now I must confess my role. I am the vigilante. My role says that I am armed with a gun with a single bullet, and therefore I only have one chance to kill. A few rounds ago I took a chance and decided to kill my number one suspect - Ice. It worked and I managed to finish off the Italian family.

This however, brings up another point. There was only one kill that night, and the thief targeted Ignoramus. We know that Ig was the prostitute and not the mafia, so this means that either the mafia took the night off or that they also targeted Ice. I believe you because your explanation fits your actions during the game, but we have to be absolutely sure of the third villager. Right now it doesn't matter whether I am killed by the mafia next round or not, because if we figure out who is the third innocent, then they are done for.

Looking at the current situation, I'm now certain that you and me are innocent and that Dutch_Guy is a mafia. He has laid low all game and his reasoning for his votes has been very spotty. As for Reenk Roink, take a look at these posts:

I don't know why you all are voting against doc_bean...

He was the one that expanded on the work of the heroic beer-borrower and found Orb guilty.

Certainly there was flawed logic this time, but that doesn't make him guilty at all. In fact, due to his previous action, I would say that he is the least likely among us to be a mafia...

Um, guys. If there is one person more innocent then doc_bean it's Crazed Rabbit

I don't think you peeples should judge the guy who was at Orb's house so harshly. I mean come on, "thief" is just not right at all. This guy probably is dirt poor, and needs to live on what others waste. If the world were a more generous and fair place, he wouldn't have to go through others trash. Heck, he probably only took the newspapers to use as bedsheets, and also to rummage through the classifieds. Not only that, but this guy chose the right house and gave us an incredible clue on who the real criminals are. And yet he is demonized...

This guy is a hero!

Society has failed this noble, noble individual...

Now, realize that if RR were mafia, he'd be in the Chinese mafia and therefore would want to kill the Italian Godfather, not protect him. Also, the third quote gives evidence to him being the thief. RR also refers to the thief as 'the hero behind the scenes.'

About Wonderland, look at this quote:

Oh shoot, sorry about the inactivity guys. Nearly forgot about the game, school and all has really been draining me this semester. My apologies.

I took a quick check through the entire thread, and Wonderland did not post at all between pages 3 and 10. Perhaps he is telling the truth and was not able to participate because of school, but remember that even in his absense the mafia can still operate (and it also could have been deliberate in an attempt to throw off suspicion). Though if Wonderland is a regular mafioso, the godfather would have to do the killing himself and this would tag Dutch_guy as the Chinese Godfather. If Wonderland is the Godfather, however, I'm not sure how this would work out. Would Dutch_Guy then plan his own kills? Either way, I'm thoroughly convinced that DG and Wonderland are the remaining mafia.

EDIT: I just checked Wonderland's status and he was Private Messaging. Now, this may be entirely irrevelant, but it could also mean that he is PMing his co-mafioso in order to find a way out of this fiasco.

Unvote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
Vote: Dutch_Guy

[Reenk Roink]

Also, the third quote gives evidence to him being the thief. RR also refers to the thief as 'the hero behind the scenes.

Hobo!

Anyway, Dutch_Guy is the best bet we have now.

Wonderland has an alibi (not being here), and while you haven't confessed your role, and I still am suspicious, Dutch_Guy is the best option.

Vote: Dutch_Guy

[Cowhead418]

Hobo!

Anyway, Dutch_Guy is the best bet we have now.

Wonderland has an alibi (not being here), and while you haven't confessed your role, and I still am suspicious, Dutch_Guy is the best option.

Vote: Dutch_Guy

Hellooooo... Check out this tidbit from my last post...

I realize that now I must confess my role. I am the vigilante. My role says that I am armed with a gun with a single bullet, and therefore I only have one chance to kill. A few rounds ago I took a chance and decided to kill my number one suspect - Ice. It worked and I managed to finish off the Italian family.

Oh, and my apologies, hobo.

[Sigurd]

These last posts have convinced me, my suspicions about Reenk Roink is correct and from your excellent reasoning I now see the light.

Vote:Dutch_Guy

[Cowhead418]

Reenk Roink, after we execute Dutch_Guy, may I suggest that you make a visit to Wonderland's house? He did not put any reasoning behind his last vote and is the only one without an alibi.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Dutch Guy has been executed.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

As the villagers pass the house of Evil_Maniac From Mars, they find a note affixed to the door.

"Fools! The Mafia is still at large. Was the sacrifice of this noble policeman for nothing? Dutch_Guy is all well and good, but have you not seen the previous investigation results at the Town Hall?"

[Cowhead418]

As the villagers pass the house of Evil_Maniac From Mars, they find a note affixed to the door.

"Fools! The Mafia is still at large. Was the sacrifice of this noble policeman for nothing? Dutch_Guy is all well and good, but have you not seen the previous investigation results at the Town Hall?"

Well, we will all find out after the results of this execution. If DG is not a mafia, then the village loses and Sigurd played us all for fools. If he is, then Wonderland is the remaining mafioso and we win. Your investigation result is strange. I can only hope that Sigurd was telling the truth. His story certainly fits his actions throughout the game, though if he is a mafia then this is the work of a criminal mastermind who is excellent at defending himself...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sorry about lack of story...I'm not much of a writer:

Cowhead418 and Reenk Roink have both been killed.

Mafia Win!

Killed(11):
Discovery1 (Bus Driver)
Silver Rusher (Italian Mafioso + Romeo)
gertgregoor (cop)
Kommodus (mason)
GeneralHankerchief(cop)
SSNeoperestroika(mayor)
Ice(Italian Mafioso)
Ignoramus(prostitute)
Evil_maniac from mars (cop)
Cowhead418(vigilante)
Reenk Roink (hobo)

Suicide(1):
Drisos (Juliet)

Left Town(2):
Divinus Arma (Jerry)
B_Ray (Mason)


Executed(7):
Orb (Chinese Mafia)
Zalmoxis (doctor)
Lemur (Tom)
doc_bean(Italian Godfather)
Crazed Rabbit (Serial Killer)
Tiberius (Mason)
Dutch guy (doctor)

Alive (2):
Wonderland (Chinese Mafioso)
Sigurd Fafnesbane (Chinese Godfather)

[Cowhead418]

Damnit! Well, I must say - hats off to you Sigurd. You are excellent at defending yourself. I'm not sure many other mafiosi could have come up with a story that fits their actions as precisely as yours did. Sorry DG...

[Reenk Roink]

What the hell!

I went out to buy some unsalted butter and now I'm dead!

Damn Sig, you managed to convince me and the rest twice of your innocence...

And Wonderland, such a cool guy the mafia!?!

Gah!

Nicely done.

Sorry Dutch_guy...

[Sigurd]

It was all good fun.
I hope I didn't leave any grudges against me during this game.
We are all friends in here.

I am glad it is over though, I have never lied out my teeth to this extent before. It makes you feel funny.

[Dooz]

Heh, well played Sigurd, never thought I'd see the day considering my inactivity. And sorry Reenk, I was randomly chosen of course, and quite frankly would rather have been villager. In any case, it's good to be a Chinese mafioso right now. Hats off to Sigurd for everything, he handled the whole game himself.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Excellent job, guys. Guess we're even Sigurd.

Ok, just have to know the question now: Who rubbed me off?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It was a fun game, aside from a really dragging out in the middle.

Write up:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

My initial risk of characters/roles:

Sigurd Fafnesbane chinese godfather
Orb chinese mafia
Wonderland chinese mafia

doc_bean Italian godfather
Silver Rusher Italian mafia-romeo
Ice italian mafia-blackmailer

Crazed Rabbit serial killer

B_Ray mason
Kommodus mason
Tiberius mason

Lemur Tom
Divinus Arma Jerry

GeneralHankerchief regular cop
evil_maniac_from_mars insane cop
gertgreggor naive cop

Zalmoxis doctor
Dutch_Guy doctor

Ignoramus prostitute
discovery1 bus driver
Cowhead418 vigilante
Drisos Juliet
Reenk Roink hobo
SSNeoperestroika mayor

Most of the roles have been explained already.

Ice was the blackmailer, he had the possibility of being able to control the mayor if he discovered him. He never used this ability, it's possible I forgot to include it in my pm to him?

EMFM was the insane cop, all his search results came up the opposite of truth. gertgreggor was the naive cop, all his results came up innocent. The bus driver could switch two people for a night. The masons could choose one of their own to protect at night. The godfathers, tom&jerry, and the serial killer were immune to night killings. Cowhead had one bullet as he explained.


I believed this list to be balanced and looking at the result of the game I think it was. A third of the town was killers but they were working against eachother, and the town had quite a few power roles (I expected Reenk Roinks role to be weak, and yet he turned out to be one of the main players. In contrast the police accomplished next to nothing).
Round One:

• GH investigates Wonderland (guilty-Chinese Mafia)
• Crazed rabbit kills discovery1
• Dutch_Guy protects Divinus Arma
• Reenk Roink blocks/trashes Divinus Arma
• masons: tiberius's house
• Ignoramus sleeps with GH
• evil maniac investigates general hankerchief (insane cop) (guilty)
• gertgreggor investigates general hankerchief (naive cop) (innocent)
• Chinese mafia kill silver rusher (romeo) so Drisos suicides
• discovery1 switches Lemur and Ice
• Italian mafia kill Tiberius by choking

With the two mafia groups and the serial killer there was a possibility of 3 kills per night, ending the game fast. I counted on the two doctors + roleblocker+nighttime immunity to prevent that and in fact there were never 3 kills, often only 1 or zero.

General Hankerchief discovered Wonderlands guilt. If he had chosen to reveal this it could quite possibly have turned the tide of the game, as wonderland survived.

The chinese mafia also lucked out, bumping off Silver Rusher, one of the Italian Mafia.

The Italian Mafia on the other hand were foiled by the protective ability of the Masons. The story of the foiled attempt indicates the mason aspect somewhat. This was the only round that had significant writeup, I didn't have the time really and the people who sent in lengthy writeups almost always got blocked by RR or were trying to kill someone who was immune. A pity.

EMFM gets a guilty read on GH while Gert gets an innocent read. They naturally choose to keep quite about it however.

The first round there was mostly a discussion of what the possible roles could be, it wasn't until nearly the bottom of the page that GH started a wagon on Lemur (tom). Made DA job rather easy. I was slightly displeased, two features I'd worked into the game (Romeo&Juliet, Tom&Jerry) were a bust.

The mayor decided to save Lemur temporarily.


Round Two:

• GH investigates gertgreggor (innocent)
• Reenk Roink trashes Orb
• evil_maniac_from_mars investigates ssneo (insane cop) (guilty)
• ignoramus sleeps with GH
• Crazed Rabbit kills Kommodus
• CHinese mafia attempt to kill crazed rabbit with orb
• Dutch_guy protects crazed rabbit
• gertgregoor investigates doc_bean (naive cop) (innocent)
• doc_bean kills gertgregoor
• masons: tiberius's house

Reenk Roinks effectiveness is shown this turn. When I made public the fact that DA's house had been trashed on the first day it had been for effect mainly. This round the fact that there were only two kills and Orb had been robbed made it clear he was mafia. doc_bean was quick to point this out and Orb was lynched.

EMFM has his 2nd guilty result on SSneo and votes for him before realizing how suspicious this looks.

Reenk Roink pretty much reveals his role, it's surprising to me that he lasted as long as he did given the danger he was to the mafia.

Orb confesses and attempts to finger emfm in a last ditch effort. No one buys it.

Round three:

• zalmoxis protects doc_bean
• masons: tiberius's house
• Crazed Rabbit picks doc_bean (unkillable)
• dutch_guy protects doc_bean
• GH investigates evil_maniac_form_mars
• wonderland kills generalH
• Ignoramus sleeps with GH
• evil maniac investigates divinus arma
• Ice kills generalH

Only one death this round, both the mafias went after generalH and CR picked an unkillable.

The big drama this round was EMFM revealing his incorrect results. He did this before the kills were posted, if he had waited things could have gone quite differently. As it was, GeneralH was proved innocent and EMFM lost much credibility, so much so that when he got an "innocent" (read:guilty) result on Sigurd it was ignored.

The revote on Lemur also took place (the mayor role is a bit clunky imo, don't think I'll include it in the future) and DA finally got to actually make an argument against Lemur.

Sigurd noticed that Zalmoxis had been lurking and got him lynched. This was the round where things started to slow down activity wise.

Round four:

• Ice kills SSneo
• Reenk Roink trashes Crazed Rabbits house
• crazedrabbit kills ignoramus
• masons:B_Ray
• Dutch Guy protects doc_bean
• wonderland kills doc bean

Once again only one kill, Reenk Roink saves Ignoramus and Dutch_Guy saves doc_bean (although doc_bean was already night immune).

It was immedietly noticed that the same logic that worked for Orb should work for Crazed rabbit.

Crazed Rabbit defended himself very well and with some help managed to turn suspicion against his accuser doc_bean.

Round five:

• reenk roink trashes ignoramus house
• ice kills crazed rabbit (fail)
• cowhead kills ice
• ignoramus sigurd fafns (foiled)
• crazed rabbit kills sigurd (fail)
• emfm investigates reenk roink

The only kill this round comes from the Vigilante, Cowhead418, who picked out Ice, the last italian mafioso. Well spotted.

Sigurd manages to get Crazed Rabbit lynched, however before execution he confesses and incriminates Sigurd with some very accurate evidence.

Round six:

• dutch_guy protects tiberius
• ignoramus sleeps with sigurd
• reenk roikn trashes sigurd
• wonderland kills ignoramus
• emfm investigates sigurd (innocent)

I was certain Sigurd was going to be lynched this round as CR had effectively proved his guilt and EMFM had a "guilty" result on him.

However Tiberius voted for Sigurd before the killings, and Sigurd was able to use this against him along with some other great arguments and Tiberius was lynched. I decided that B_Ray had been absent too long (9 days) and as such was a proved innocent and it would be best if he left town.

Round seven:

• dutch_guy protects cowhead
• Wonderland kills emfm
• Reenk Roink trashes sigurd

Reenk Roink blocks sigurd as he did the previous round, however this is ineffective as the underling does the dirty work. No one seems to pick up on the fact that the cop with the "guilty result" on sigurd bit the dust.

With 5 left the mafia only have to lynch one more time to win.

Sigurd is under suspicion early but with a rather brilliant and entirely fabricated role claim manages to sway Cowhead and Reenk Roink over. Sigurd lays down the final vote on Dutch Guy and the Chinese Mafia Win.

[Reenk Roink]

Arrgh! So much power, so close, and yet so wasted.

Brilliant Sigurd, Brilliant.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Excellent job, guys. Guess we're even Sigurd.

Ok, just have to know the question now: Who rubbed me off?

I believe I used Ice's kill, though it might have been Wonderland's.

Anyway, I think this game was very interesting. Although the most exciting part for me was the endgame with just town versus mafia. The middle part kind of stretched on and the beginning was kind of confusing.

One of my intentions was to try out a lot of roles. I'd like to hear from people one how enjoyable their role was.

The vigilante, Serial Killer, and roleblocker are I think definite roles to bring back. I definitly won't use Tom&Jerry, Romeo&juliet, the prostitute (unless with myddrals modification), the mayor, or the insane/naive cops. I'm not sure about the masons. Kommodus was killed early, B_Ray left, and Tiberius was inactive.

[Ice]

Excellent job, guys. Guess we're even Sigurd.

Ok, just have to know the question now: Who rubbed me off?

That was me =).

[Cowhead418]

Gah! I originally figured that Sigurd was mafia due to EMFM's investigation results, but he presented such a persuasive argument... Oh well, at least I didn't waste my bullet.