Mexican Flag raised over US Post Office

[Marshal Murat]

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/176008.php

Yes, an Mexican flag has been raised over a post office in southern California where the police office has been disbanded, traffic alowed to flow past with illegals without liscense at the wheel. God I love this country.

[Strike For The South]

disgusting

[InsaneApache]

It's your own fault for throwing us out.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Oh yay, the UK is having no trouble with immigrants.

You're right, this is disgusting.

Disgusting that the criminal loving city council stopped enforcing the law because they were catching criminals, and supremely disgusting that the US flag was taken down and a Mexican flag put up, and that the PO workers and Police did nothing.

If the illegals love Mexico so much, why don't they move back?

Crazed Rabbit

[Tribesman]

What a bunch of pussies , if I was hispanic and living in Maywood I would have made sure there was a mexican flag on every lampost and every building for the duration of the minuteman protest .

If the illegals love Mexico so much, why don't they move back?

They have moved back , to old mexico .

[Strike For The South]

What a bunch of pussies , if I was hispanic and living in Maywood I would have made sure there was a mexican flag on every lampost and every building for the duration of the minuteman protest .

If the illegals love Mexico so much, why don't they move back?

They have moved back , to old mexico .

You have infuriated me greatly We fought and died for this land they lost it to us. Its our not theres

[Crazed Rabbit]

What a bunch of pussies , if I was hispanic and living in Maywood I would have made sure there was a mexican flag on every lampost and every building for the duration of the minuteman protest .

If the illegals love Mexico so much, why don't they move back?

They have moved back , to old mexico .

They can't move back if they, nor their ancestors, ever lived there.

Should we call Ireland "Old England"? It makes as much sense as calling SW America 'old mexico'.

[Husar]

and that the PO workers and Police did nothing.

Police tried to pull the Mexican flag down but the ropes got stuck and it still flies at this time.

It is such a short newspost that you could have taken the time to read it...

[AntiochusIII]

So...

When are we gonna wrap ourselves in (Made in China) star-something flags and declare war?

Surely the glorious Republic of Calexico cannot stand against this most humiliating offense?

[Papewaio]

So the fight is over the particular dye combination and pattern thereof on cloth all of which is made in China.

Since some state that Iran made missiles used by Hezbollah makes the Iranians the responsible party, by that logic this is all Chinas fault for making the cloths that are causing issues.

[Strike For The South]

No this is about an honest effort to take back the American SW. The flag by itself means nothing but what it represents is disgusting and repugnent.

[AntiochusIII]

You are heavily oversimplifying the situation. My god I can't even put into words how much this infuriates me. The military should be sent into that city to restore order, toss out the illegals, and re-instate a government willing to uphold the simple fact that it is part of the law-abiding United States of America.

Don't forget to throw them to the old camps in Death Valley! You know, the old concentration camps...

Or was that the Mojave desert?



I'm glad you guys are willing to implement a Most Necessary (tm) Final Solution to the immigration problem.

[Papewaio]

You may want to review how the Brits lost control of the US.

A large part of that was using military force to break up civil unrest.

Over-reacting is just as bad as under-reacting.

Why not start at the beginning, local then country then state then federal... cops and immigration.

[Xiahou]

You may want to review how the Brits lost control of the US.

A large part of that was using military force to break up civil unrest.

Over-reacting is just as bad as under-reacting.

Why not start at the beginning, local then country then state then federal... cops and immigration.

And you may want to review how the US won the civil war.... or the Whisky Rebellion even.

You can't make blanket generalizations on the effects of using force based on one such example. Now certainly, I havent seen enough evidence to suggest that what we have here is full-blown insurrection, but some people sure as heck should be brought up on charges. I know if I stormed into my local post office and put up a foreign flag Id certainly spend some time in jail- and likely be brought up on federal charges.

As a side note, clearly these protesters didnt get the memo that went out months ago about not using the Mexican flag during demonstrations. They're supposed to be waving American flags everywhere now...

[Duke of Gloucester]

You can't make blanket generalizations on the effects of using force based on one such example.

You can't, but if it is any help the last time the UK used military force because a "foreign" flag was flying over a post office, although, eventually the flag was removed, it did lead to the loss of territory a few years later.

I prefer Seamus Heaney's father's advice on watching a Nationalist parade: "Don't get involved in that son. You can't eat a flag."

Edit: Actually it was John Hume's father.

[AntiochusIII]

How'd you brits (You're a brit, right?)

I'm not.

I have a peculiar situation as a first-generation legal immigrant (fewer than illegals nowadays, it seems) to the United States, and the fortune of living in the ultimate expression of capitalism, Las Vegas.

It's a terrible city.

Now, seriously, you are advocating total violence in a situation that is potentially explosive, where that total violence would be the ideal catalyst for the explosion.

Right now it's just yet another protest for yet another day. No need to turn it into a Chinese-made flag-waving contest. Besides, the National movement (whatever it tries to do) has already taken a compromising stance to reduce the Mexican flag-waving thing so not to offend the Patriots. Now, imagine the indignation if one use heavy force unjustifiably against an isolated incident...

[Fragony]

If it is meant to offend then it must be an offence. Or worse. Seems like america like it is just isn't enough for them, so americans should accept them, and also accept that they aren't accepted themselves, sounds familiar. Bad guests should be kicked out of the house, if they want to provoke test to what extent they really want you to be provoked.

[Banquo's Ghost]

I think bringing the entire illegal alien situation to a violent end might not be such a bad idea. It's going to culminate in violence, whether it be racial tension, class tension, or (far more preferably) a controlled situation based on a valid pretext such as we have here.

The best case scenario for solving the problem of illegals would obviously be a non-violent solution that led to prosperity and happiness for everyone. Perfectly plausible, right? Nah.

We have two likely end-games: The usual MLK-esque March of Liberalism that ends with a cowardly government caving to the demands of the offending group (this is not to dig on MLK, though, as his cause was justified where this one is most certainly not).

OR

A violent and riotous culmination that ends with the cowardly government caving in, or people seeing that illegals are not worth the trouble and letting the problem get solved the right way: A really big wall, with lots of guns sticking off the top.

Ah, the old Rivers of Blood speech. Age shall not wither it, nor the years condemn.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

For those who might not get the reference, try googling Enoch Powell.

[Duke of Gloucester]

Something of an oxymoron: "valid pretext"

[Banquo's Ghost]

You can't, but if it is any help the last time the UK used military force because a "foreign" flag was flying over a post office, although, eventually the flag was removed, it did lead to the loss of territory a few years later.

I reckon it was the Irish. As you note, we've got form with Post Offices, not to mention uncontrolled immigration and if you wash the Mexican flag until it fades a bit and then hang it up the wrong way, it's easy to mistake it for a tricolour.

We took Boston a long time ago and have been turtling, now its time for a land-grab.

[Productivity]

Foreign flags are being raised over federal property. How'd you brits (You're a brit, right?) like it if the Irish flag or the French flag was raised over Buckingham palace? Seeing the Mexican Flag over an extension of the US Government is just as significant.

Typical overexaggeration from you. You're implying that this Post Office has a similar level of importance to the average American (how many even knew it existed before this incident) that Buckingham Palace has to the average Brit.

It probably has a similar level of importance to the average American that a random post office somewhere in Cornwall has to the average Englishman. If the flag was flying over the White House then your comparison might be fair.

That's not to say that you can't be offended by a non US flag flying over a piece of federal property, but that doesn't excuse your ridiculousy over exaggerated comparison.

[Productivity]

That kind of indifference is why this nation is going down the tubes. But seeing as how you're australian, I am relieved to see I'm not hearing it from a fellow American.

It's not indifference, it's understanding how to make an accurate comparison. As stated, I can understand how it is offensive. In similar circumstances I wouldn't be happy myself. However, that doesn't mean I make baseless comparisons in an attempt to prove my point. Be as outraged as you want, but don't argue on blind rhetoric alone, argue on logic.

[JFC]

I apologise in advance for this, but the BBC have this:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Latino suburb welcomes illegals
By James Coomarasamy
BBC News, Maywood, California

Immigrant woman working in a field
Much of California's manual work is carried out by immigrants
Driving around Maywood there is little to distinguish this small Los Angeles suburb from any other predominantly Hispanic area.

Maywood is 97% Latino. You can hear the Spanish tones on every street and on every radio station.

Familiar strip malls are peppered with signs such as Clinica Latina, Pescaderia and Agua.

But Maywood is a trend setter. In the midst of an intense national debate about immigration the city council has officially declared Maywood a safe haven for illegal immigrants.

At a weekly immigrants' support group meeting there is a sense of purpose in the air.

It is chaired by the driving force behind the controversial decision, Maywood's deputy mayor Felipe Aguirre.

"We don't think that people are breaking the law if they simply don't have documents, so we decided to turn this place into a sanctuary city," he said.

Police accused

Not everyone in Maywood is pleased, but at the Saint Rose of Lima church they seem to be singing with one voice - in favour of the council's decision.


We don't think that people are breaking the law if they simply don't have documents
Felipe Aguirre
Deputy Mayor of Maywood
The congregation is strongly backing the move, which is seen less as a statement about national immigration reform than an answer to the local police setting up check points and impounding cars belonging to the many local people without documents.

"I used to see women having to walk home with tiny children," explained Rosa Pecheko.

"The police said they were stopping people to check for drunk drivers, but that's not what they were really doing. They were just taking away the cars from those without driving licenses and taking money from them."

When he is not preaching to his flock, Pastor David Velasquez is speaking in revolutionary tones.

"The people felt that they were being persecuted, but now they have the power over the police. They can't tell us what to do."

At the local police station, Lieutenant Pine agreed to share his concerns about enforcing the law in a city that has declared itself above it.

"We need clarity. We don't know what's going on," he said.

He denied that the police checkpoints were an attempt to make money from illegal immigrants: "At those checkpoints we caught a lot of people breaking the law. We found drunks, felons - we even found one man who had just murdered his wife and still had blood on his hands and the knife in his car."

Wider debate

If the police are confused, many Californians are angry.

On the John and Ken show on local Los Angeles radio station KFI 640 Maywood's mayor was angrily accused of turning his city into a magnet for illegal immigrants.

Felipe Aguirre says he has had threatening phone messages and other council members have received physical threats. But he remains defiant.

"We don't consider these immigration laws to be just. It's not right that if I'm talking to someone who doesn't have the correct papers, I could be considered a felon. No, we answer to a higher law."

And other communities are beginning to follow Maywood's lead.

It is not clear whether this stance will help the cause of illegal immigrants.

But what it does make plain is just how polarised - and passionate - the debate about them has become in the US.

As you can see, it seems that infact Mayor of Maywood is encouragiing patriotism of Mexico to the Latino people?

[doc_bean]

"My mother always told me that violence doesn't solve anything. "

"Really? I wonder what the city founders of Hiroshima would have to say about that. "

"They wouldn't say anything. Hiroshima was destroyed. "

"Correct. Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst."

[Keba]

Interesting ... so, the first solution of the Yanks is to send in the army, rather than even attempt to reason with the offenders?

No wonder things aren't peachy for you.

[Productivity]

There is plenty of logic in my statements.

There may be some logic, but comparing some random post office that nobody has ever heard of to Buckingham palace is not logical, smacks of overexageration and weakens your argument.

[Andres]

Interesting ... so, the first solution of the Yanks is to send in the army, rather than even attempt to reason with the offenders?

No wonder things aren't peachy for you.

Since all those flags are made in China, another solution might be bombing the Chinese...

[Keba]

Since all those flags are made in China, another solution might be bombing the Chinese...

You won't do that ... the Chinese can bomb back.

[Andres]

That's the third solution off course. The US bombing themselves...

[Productivity]

That you are just making attacks on my methods instead of responding to the meat of my posts does not speak well for whatever argument you're trying to espouse, either. Crap or get off the pot.

I personally have no opinion in this argument, I'm simply playing the devil's advocate. I argue in favour of forum quality which you appear to be doing your level best to degrade by using substandard debating techniques.

Promote Quality, Discourage Crap.