Do the current TW speeds and/or AI detract from your gameplay?

**sunsmountain** · 08-30-2006, 18:34

speeds = movement speeds or kill rates
AI = campaign map AI or battlemap AI

Simple question, take your pick. No distinctions are made, it's about the feeling you get when playing RTW, serving as input for CA working on MTW2.

**danfda** · 08-30-2006, 19:56

AI is my biggest issue (tactical and strategic), but hopefully that will be addressed. Battle speed issues too, though not as much (for me anyway). So I voted option #1.

I guess I just want my cake and to eat it too!

**econ21** · 08-30-2006, 22:35

I voted yes to both, but was thinking mainly of the vanilla game. But I've started losing battles in the mods I play (RTR, Goth mod) with alarming frequency[1], so I can't really complain about the engine after the tweaking by modders.

[1] And to Berbers and Illyrians! The shame.

**Martok** · 08-31-2006, 02:53

I voted yes to both as well, although the AI was the bigger of the two problems. Both the campaign and combat AI left something to be desired. The speeds were so fast, I simply couldn't enjoy battles that much. It was like blink, and you miss it!

Originally Posted by econ21

But I've started losing battles in the mods I play (RTR, Goth mod) with alarming frequency[1], so I can't really complain about the engine after the tweaking by modders.

[1] And to Berbers and Illyrians! The shame.

[Looks for Mithrandir to start going on about his beloved camels]

**Duke John** · 08-31-2006, 11:11

Sadly when you start using a mod or become a member of a TW forum you are a hardcore player. So when a majority votes for option 1 then it only shows that the hardcore players want a change. CA is not targeting the hardcore players, so the outcome of this poll is not important as who would in their right mind think that a forum population would present the average buyer; surely only hardcore buyers go on the internet!

This logic is flawed and I know it.

**JR-** · 08-31-2006, 11:22

speed is a pain.

**sunsmountain** · 08-31-2006, 13:14

Originally Posted by Duke John

Sadly when you start using a mod or become a member of a TW forum you are a hardcore player. So when a majority votes for option 1 then it only shows that the hardcore players want a change. CA is not targeting the hardcore players, so the outcome of this poll is not important as who would in their right mind think that a forum population would present the average buyer; surely only hardcore buyers go on the internet!

This logic is flawed and I know it.

Yes, well, it puts you in the same group as Puzz3D, who is convinced CA does not cater to the hardcore gamers anymore. While this might be true with respect to historical accuracy (makes the Egyptians more boring in my opinion) and realism (come on, don't tell you don't like what Elephants do?), I cannot imagine it being true for gameplay. The better your gameplay, the more your game sells.

The total war series can be played in more than 1 way while having fun: the slow tactical way, or the fast arcade way. RomeTW obviously favored the latter, while STW and MTW only had the former. Perhaps CA got bored with the old speeds, and wanted something faster themselves.

What they learn from browsing these forums though, is that some gamers just don't get used to the fast arcade way. According to this poll the majority of forum members prefer the slow tactical way. They will therefore probably adjust the speeds to accomodate them. They might not, but to say 100% that they won't before hand is bigotry.