An interesting view of creation/evolution

[BDC]

There may be an element of arrogance common among scientists, or even intellectuals in general, but Galileo had plenty of contemporary colleagues, some of whom were also heliocentrists, who managed to stay well within the church's good graces.

Ajax

Most of them were members of the church themselves. No one argued Galileo was wrong (everyone important was basically unofficially convinced then anyway), just he broke some church rules and some older papal orders.

As soon as you have a telescope it's painfully obvious to even the most fanatical observer that everything orbits the sun. Just when god's representative on Earth said that was wrong a few years earlier it's issuesome.

[Tribesman]

You've got to come up with more information than just one obscure example without any proof to back up your flat out claim that having a heliocentric view would have gotten me tortured.

Errrrrrrr...Rabbit that's TWOexamples and they are not obscure at all , unless of course you are holding forth on a subject where your knowledge is lacking . And you wouldn't do that would you ?
The first is from 7-8 years before Gallilee got the summons (I wonder if you will get that ? probably not as it is a bit 17th century reading a or two might help you ) , the second is from the same time as himself getting hauled up , unfortunately those two were too silly to avoid the dungeons of the inquisition like Galileo did , they kept insisting they were right , he on the other hand played it clever and said he was wrong about the Sun and agreed that the prosecutions case based on Joshua was right , and he said he was wrong about the Moon and the prosecution was right 'cos thats what it says in Genesis .

No one argued Galileo was wrong (everyone important was basically unofficially convinced then anyway), just he broke some church rules and some older papal orders.

As soon as you have a telescope it's painfully obvious to even the most fanatical observer that everything orbits the sun. Just when god's representative on Earth said that was wrong a few years earlier it's issuesome.
Wrong BDC , he was made to admit he was wrong very publicly , Universities were banned from spreading his or other "wrong" sciences (which even included some mathematics) . The official line was the telescope was an instrument of impish devillry and observations made with it were illusions sent by the devil .

[Claudius the God]

Nothing is more irrational then believing that apes turned into men.
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What is really sad are people like the article writer having the arrogance and gall to think that the infantile minds of man are wiser than God and that anyone who does not conform to that untrue, secular humanist way of thinking has the problem.

Apes didn't just turn into men, it took thousands of generations with slight adaptations in each generation for human ancestors evolve into humans. it took a very long time, but it did happen. we have ancient human and pre-human remains which have been studied in extensive detail. the Hominid family tree is quite detailed, I suggest you look at the bones and listening to what experts have gained from them before dimissing anything off as irrational... otherwise, why should any sensible person take what you say seriously?

Personally, the idea that mankind was created out of dirt is complete nonsense to me and to many millions of others on this planet. if your'e going to make an even remotely intelligent argument then you better use something based on fact, not fiction.

Humanity is not as stupid as you clearly want us to be.

And what is wrong with Secular Humanism? - as a proud Secular Humanist myself, you better explain to me what exactly is wrong about the Humanist view of the world or about Humanists (both secular and non-secular) themselves.

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index...ge=declaration

Tell me what is wrong with the following values:
Free Inquiry
Separation of Church and State
The Ideal of Freedom
Ethics Based on Critical Intelligence
Moral Education
Religious Skepticism
Reason
Science and Technology
Evolution
Education

if you have the guts to criticize these values, you better follow up with a convincing argument as to why these values are bad.
Humanists don't want others to 'convert' as many religious groups and individuals want others to convert. Humanists want people to make an informed and intelligent decision for themselves, even if they decide on something else besides Humanism/Secular Humanism.

You are clearly not very well informed about anything besides scripture...

[Samurai Waki]

Yeah but Navaros should know that anything inanimate is far superior to anything living. It makes far more sense that god took a piss four thousand years ago and was surprised to find humans in the puddle he made.