An interesting view of creation/evolution

**Crazed Rabbit** · 09-07-2006, 00:30

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Rabbit brings up a very valid point , a scientific veiw of astronomy theories rather than a biblical one would have got him tortured by the Catholic church a while back

Really? Galileo was put under house arrest, but certainly not tortured. Copernicus was encouraged to publish his theory that the earth was not the center of the universe by members of the clergy.

Crazed Rabbit

**Tribesman** · 09-07-2006, 01:08

Really? Galileo was put under house arrest, but certainly not tortured. Copernicus was encouraged to publish his theory that the earth was not the center of the universe by members of the clergy.

Really ? Thats funny as Galileo was encouraged by members of the clergy too , then shipped of to be threatened with the inquisition by the very same clergymen . wierd isn't it .
Still he was lucky though , all he had to do was swear that he was wrong , embace the bible as the truth and apologise for his heresey to avoid the fates of Bruno or De Domini of Spalatro who were not so lucky when it came to avoiding torture for studying "incorrect" science .
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**Crazed Rabbit** · 09-07-2006, 01:27

You've got to come up with more information than just one obscure example without any proof to back up your flat out claim that having a heliocentric view would have gotten me tortured.

Crazed Rabbit

**ajaxfetish** · 09-07-2006, 01:28

If Galileo would have limited himself to making assertions he could support, refrained from viciously deriding his colleagues, and generally not been such an arrogant jackass he probably wouldn't have had to put up with what little he did face. During his time the Catholic Church was the biggest supporter of science, philosophy, and new ideas in the western world.

Ajax

**Papewaio** · 09-07-2006, 01:35

Originally Posted by ajaxfetish

If Galileo would have limited himself to making assertions he could support, refrained from viciously deriding his colleagues, and generally not been such an arrogant jackass he probably wouldn't have had to put up with what little he did face.

Sounds a bit like Newton or any Physics conference to me... something about scientists and sarcasm methinks.

**ajaxfetish** · 09-07-2006, 01:50

There may be an element of arrogance common among scientists, or even intellectuals in general, but Galileo had plenty of contemporary colleagues, some of whom were also heliocentrists, who managed to stay well within the church's good graces.

Ajax

**BDC** · 09-07-2006, 10:31

Originally Posted by ajaxfetish

There may be an element of arrogance common among scientists, or even intellectuals in general, but Galileo had plenty of contemporary colleagues, some of whom were also heliocentrists, who managed to stay well within the church's good graces.

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Most of them were members of the church themselves. No one argued Galileo was wrong (everyone important was basically unofficially convinced then anyway), just he broke some church rules and some older papal orders.

As soon as you have a telescope it's painfully obvious to even the most fanatical observer that everything orbits the sun. Just when god's representative on Earth said that was wrong a few years earlier it's issuesome.

**Tribesman** · 09-07-2006, 20:59

You've got to come up with more information than just one obscure example without any proof to back up your flat out claim that having a heliocentric view would have gotten me tortured.

Errrrrrrr...Rabbit that's TWOexamples and they are not obscure at all , unless of course you are holding forth on a subject where your knowledge is lacking . And you wouldn't do that would you ?

The first is from 7-8 years before Gallilee got the summons (I wonder if you will get that ? probably not as it is a bit 17th century

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No one argued Galileo was wrong (everyone important was basically unofficially convinced then anyway), just he broke some church rules and some older papal orders.

As soon as you have a telescope it's painfully obvious to even the most fanatical observer that everything orbits the sun. Just when god's representative on Earth said that was wrong a few years earlier it's issuesome.
Wrong BDC , he was made to admit he was wrong very publicly , Universities were banned from spreading his or other "wrong" sciences (which even included some mathematics) . The official line was the telescope was an instrument of impish devillry and observations made with it were illusions sent by the devil .