Should I Get RTW, or wait for MTW2?

[caravel]

I bought RTW Gold for around £17.00, which hardly breaks the bank. I'm sure that in the US it's cheaper, like $20.00 or no?

I'd say listen to econ21's and others advice, and go for RTW/BI.

[Stig]

No don't go for BI
BI=
broken skins
incorrect general speeches
no freedom
clone units
need I continue?

[econ21]

No don't go for BI
BI=
broken skins
incorrect general speeches
no freedom
clone units
need I continue?

I don't know why people are so down on BI - it's a great expansion. The strategic situation is totally different from RTW, with lots of variety - from besieged Roman empires to marauding hordes. Only the Sassanids have a set-up anything like a standard RTW faction. Out of the box, I think the WRE campaign is as interesting as any vanilla TW campaign - especially with some houserules.

The skins are not so hot, I agree, but that is easily solved with mods such as Goth's all factions mod or IBFD. Skins such as those of Attila Reloaded and other modders are rather sweet:



I never noticed a problem with the general's speeches, although you get to a point where you just click past them.

Strategically, there is quite a lot of freedom for most factions. For example, in our WRE PBM in the Throne Room, we imposed a houserule that WRE should conquer ERE but leave the barbarians alone. Alternatively, you could spend your time conquering neighbouring factions. Some of the hordes have a lot of freedom how they carry out their objectives - for example, the Vandals have to go from the east to Spain, Carthage and Rome; quite the grand tour.

I haven't noticed a problem of clone units - the armies are quite varied. Saxons are almost all infantry; Huns almost all cavalry; Sassanids and Romans have varied and powerful line ups etc.

A big selling point of BI is that several excellent mods are designed for it - notably the forthcoming RTR 7.0.

[Brother Mark]

I'd wait for MTW2. Though everyone on these fora seems to already have a downer on it - at least they aren't yet certain that it will disapoint them. RTW already has done that.

If you don't mind the silliness of RTW then even still I'd wait for MTW2 because it won't be any sillier and at least the graphics will be much better looking.

[caravel]

No don't go for BI
BI=
broken skins
incorrect general speeches
no freedom
clone units
need I continue?

I bought my RTW/BI for cheaper than I'd pay for RTW in a high street, hence why I said BI. As to whether it's any good or not, I can't say as I've never played it.

I have read about the problems with the skins, in particular, and that does seem like total sloppiness. RTW was also a total mess when first released. Alexander has also been referred to as "unfinished" so this does not bode well for M2TW which is why many people are already so negative about it.

With M2TW, will we also be waiting for four or five patches before they finally get it right? This is why I think people shouldn't simply wait for M2TW. I for one will be buying it much later than the release date.