Mini-Mafia [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Bold all votes, like this: Vote:Sasaki

Please unvote before changing vote: Unvote:Sasaki; Vote: Kojiro

No posting after you're dead. Posts will be deleted. (please keep quite in the chat room as well)

Don't quote, forward, or take screenshots of any pm's from me. If you want to convince people of your role you will have to do it through your own eloquence.

In this setup we have:

2 mafia
50% chance of a cop
50% chance of a doc
3-5 townies

For a total of 7 players. The mafia can kill one person total each night, the cop can investigate one person each night, the doc can protect one person each night.

The game starts in the daytime with none of the players having been killed. It takes a majority to lynch, so, 4 votes the first day. Once the 4th vote is cast the person is considered dead even if they get unvoted later. if there are equal numbers of mafia and townies left the mafia win.

What's fun about this setup is you have to be very very careful about who you lynch. If you lynch a townie the first day, on day two you'll have 2 mafia and 3 townies. Lynching a townie day 2 would then be game over. In fact, if a townie just votes for a townie day 2 the mafia could both vote for that person and it would be game over. The idea is to promote discussion, lots of discussion. You don't have anything to go on at first so you can cast random votes or try to pressure vote lurkers...just be careful you don't lynch someone to quickly.

I'll be replacing anyone who doesn't post.

GeneralHankerchief
SilverRusher
Dutch_Guy
Crazed Rabbit
Drisos
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafsnesfifflebane

[GeneralHankerchief]

Of course I'm in.

[Silver Rusher]

Of course I'm in too.

[Dutch_guy]

Sign me up

[Crazed Rabbit]

Why not? Should be quick. Count me in.

Crazed Rabbit

[Drisos]

me too

sounds intresting

[Kagemusha]

Is there still a spot available?

[Silver Rusher]

One more after you.

[Sigurd]

All right, I am in

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Signups closed. I've informed 5 of you of your role via pm; Kage and Dutch_guy your inboxes are full.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok all Pm's sent. Game has now begun.

7 alive, 4 votes to lynch.

[Sigurd]

We start off with a lynching? Pre-emptive attack on the Mafia.
I like it…
There is absolutely no way of knowing who the mafia is in this round since the roles are given randomly. Or are they?
My first inclination was to vote for Saski Kirjo for intentionally misspelling my name but since he is not in the game I’ll start with a vote for;
Vote: Kagemusha
Reason: for having a full PM box and delaying the game

[Crazed Rabbit]

I thought we were going to discuss this a little first. The whole point of such a small game is that you can't throw away lynches like no tommorow and still win in the end (heehee, mafia 3). Unless you're just trying to get some discussion going.

So here's who we've got:

GeneralHankerchief
SilverRusher
Dutch_Guy
Crazed Rabbit
Drisos
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane

2 are mafia, and we have a 50% chance each of having a detective and doctor.

(By the way, Sigurd, does Fafnesbane mean the bane of something? LIke a dragon?)

What I want to see is everyone posting before I vote and explaining themselves. This is too important to do the typical mafia opening vote.

Crazed Rabbit

[Sigurd]

(By the way, Sigurd, does Fafnesbane mean the bane of something? LIke a dragon?)

Yes it does... the bane of the dragon Fafnir

[Kagemusha]

So Sigurd you are voting me,becouse im busy modder and have my PM box full? Or is it just an agressive first maneuver of an Mafioso?You know the old story about he who throws the first rock?

[Sigurd]

Alright I admit it was an aggressive move… The mafia in this game probably smells the poor laid trap anyway.
I was just throwing a name out for bait to see if the mafia would bandwagon on it.
Considering there only being 4 votes to lynch, this is probably a risky strategy.
Ok Kagemusha your off the hook for now.

Unvote: Kagemusha

[Kagemusha]

Good baiting effort still. So where is everybody else.This game should be great fun once we get it really started.Come out before Sasaki starts chopping of heads.

[Silver Rusher]

On a purely random basis, I Vote: Drisos.

[Dutch_guy]

Okay, Rabbit's way to do this sounds best. Let's discuss this thoroughly before we decide to lynch, it may cost us the game for all we know.

So, 2 of the 7 are mafia, meaning there's a good chance one of them has already posted here without us knowing.

[Silver Rusher]

Dutch_guy, at the moment we have absolutely no leads as to who the mafia are. Psychoanalysis, as I learnt thoroughly in Mafia III, provides almost all the wrong results. We may as well vote randomly.

[GeneralHankerchief]

On a purely random basis, I Vote: Drisos.

What we have here is someone a bit too eager for a lynching.

Vote: Silver Rusher

[Crazed Rabbit]

Dutch_guy, at the moment we have absolutely no leads as to who the mafia are. Psychoanalysis, as I learnt thoroughly in Mafia III, provides almost all the wrong results. We may as well vote randomly.

Correction: your psychoanalysis provides all the wrong results.

As GH said, you do seem somewhat overeager for a random lynching. Didn't Sasaki say that the most important part of this game is discussion? A purely random vote could be disastrous.

I'll hold off on voting for you, though, because I hope you can give a better explaination of yourself.

Crazed Rabbit

[Silver Rusher]

Listen. When we lynch in this first round, 1 of 3 things can happen:

1. We lynch a mafioso. There is a 2/7 (near 1/3) chance that this will happen. If it does happen, good for us.

2. We lynch a townsperson. Not too bad, we have eliminated a possible suspect and it is the most likely event but it also means that we are finished if we don't get the mafia in the next round.

3. We lynch the detective/doctor. Worst case scenario. There is only a 1/7 chance of this if you vote randomly, but I just think that psychoanalysis makes it more likely that you will accidentally get one of these other roles like the detective. The mafia have to come up with convincing arguments, and they probably aren't stupid. In my opinion, psychoanalysis simply makes it less easy to find the mafia. This isn't required for the detective or doctor because they can still win if the townspeople win anyway, but it helps for them to stay alive.

Correction: your psychoanalysis provides all the wrong results.

Yep, and so does everyone elses. Not once have the villagers even found a single mafioso through psychoanalysis. In game 1, everyone was guessing anyway and Shadows was only outed through a 75% percent chance that at least one mafioso would be done in in the final 4. Game 2, it took until near the end for Lemur to go simply because of Kommodus' spreadsheets and Tiberius' detective work. In Game 3, it was evidence regarding history, voting records and his own partner's intended testimony against him (for the purpose of "proving" his own innocence) that finished Gert off. And Kommodus made a couple of foolish mistakes which caused him to be outed in the end.

The point I am trying to make here is that the mafia are never stupid. The moment they get that PM, they are already plotting how to avoid suspicion amongst one another, and I gotta say it works most of the time. We don't have any evidence whatsoever and trying to pull some out of thin air will simply lead to us shooting ourselves in the foot.

[Dutch_guy]

Dutch_guy, at the moment we have absolutely no leads as to who the mafia are.

That's true, yes, first lynch is mere guesswork - but then again, we can't afford to do that really.

Oh well, I'm off to bed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

In my experience in a game of this setup, the odds of lynching a mafioso first round are very low. However, on day 2 you have 2 confirmed innocents and a 2/5 chance of getting mafia, then the first days discussion becomes invaluable in figuring out who they are.

sidenote @ Silver Rusher: if psychoanalysis is always wrong, then you can confirm people as innocent by using it :p

but actually it can work, you just can't see it in the games we've had because we're all new at it.



Vote Count

Drisos 1 (Silver Rusher)
Silver Rusher 1 (General Hankerchief)

not voting (Kagemusha, Sigurd, Crazed Rabbit, Dutch_Guy, Drisos)

[Silver Rusher]

Sasaki, sure you can use psychoanalysis and sure it may work once in a while but the Mafia are far more likely to outsmart you if you do that. That is one of the main parts of their job.

Another thing, why is it that merely voting makes me too eager/overeager for a lynching? Voting is something that you are supposed to do in Mafia.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Another thing, why is it that merely voting makes me too eager/overeager for a lynching? Voting is something that you are supposed to do in Mafia.

A) It was done early on when we had pretty much agreed to talk before voting.

B) Your reason was extremely suspicious.

C) Now that you are under fire for it you are attacking psychoanalysis far more than necessary.

My vote stands.

[Drisos]

If we vote in a circle, no one gets lynched.. which is better anyway when we don't have any clues to the mafia identity.

therefor, I vote GHC

all three of us 1 vote.. if the other three voters vote all on the same one of us, he dies. but I doubt that.

let's see who gets killed first round

[Kagemusha]

I have been thinking and thinking,but there is no evidence against anybody so all i can do is to follow my instinct.Becouse i have to vote someone i Vote Dutch Guy.The only reasoning i can come up with that is that becouse he didnt point out a mafia member like in the last games with his post,i think he is Mafia himself.

[Dutch_guy]

I have been thinking and thinking,but there is no evidence against anybody so all i can do is to follow my instinct.Becouse i have to vote someone i Vote Dutch Guy.The only reasoning i can come up with that is that becouse he didnt point out a mafia member like in the last games with his post,i think he is Mafia himself.

I have absolutely nothing to go on, and you know it. In the other games it was always something at least...