Snakes may be on a plane, but some Muslims, and now a Jew, can't...

[Reenk Roink]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/st...e.html?ref=rss

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Some fellow passengers are questioning why an Orthodox Jewish man was removed from an Air Canada Jazz flight in Montreal last week for praying.

The man was a passenger on a Sept. 1 flight from Montreal to New York City when the incident happened.

The airplane was heading toward the runway at the Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport when eyewitnesses said the Orthodox man began to pray.

"He was clearly a Hasidic Jew," said Yves Faguy, a passenger seated nearby. "He had some sort of cover over his head. He was reading from a book.

"He wasn't exactly praying out loud but he was lurching back and forth," Faguy added.

The action didn't seem to bother anyone, Faguy said, but a flight attendant approached the man and told him his praying was making other passengers nervous.

I like this part ...

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"The attendant actually recognized out loud that he wasn't a Muslim and that she was sorry for the situation but they had to ask him to leave," Faguy said.

And finally...

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The Jewish group B'nai Brith Canada has offered to help give Air Canada crews sensitivity training.

Quite necessary...

[lancelot]

Well it is a jumpy time at the moment... It is a bit of a ridiculous situation but Im sure the praying could have been put back a couple of hours and Im sure the lurching wasnt necessary either.

There is enough blame for all parties to go around, the air lines lack of sensitivity and the jewish persons lack of lack of timing for starters.

Are jews not capable of fundementalist acts?

[Papewaio]

Maybe if the Hasidic Jew had physics training he would understand that praying has no effect on the lift mechanism of air having to flow further over the topside of a wing. His prayer was insulting the workmanship of the manufacturers and the abilities of the aero-engineers.

Seriously, flight freaks a lot of people out and if it makes someone feel a little bit more in control and hence comfortable they should be allowed all the illusions of such that prayer provides. So let him have his prayers and let the kids have their teddy bears.

[Reenk Roink]

Well it is a jumpy time at the moment... It is a bit of a ridiculous situation but Im sure the praying could have been put back a couple of hours and Im sure the lurching wasnt necessary either.

I do believe that most people who are going to pray for a safe flight would do it when they are on the plane, and ready to takeoff.

This "lurching" which apparently did not bother passengers according to a passenger but rather a flight attendent who then made the claim that other passengers were getting "nervous" is a quite common Jewish practice. Shokeling anyone?

There is enough blame for all parties to go around, the air lines lack of sensitivity and the jewish persons lack of lack of timing for starters.

This is where our viewpoints are irreconcilable. I do not hold the Jewish passenger at all responsible for his prayer, nor do I think it "untimely". It's quite natural to pray right before a plane is about to take off.

Are jews not capable of fundementalist acts?

An irrelevant point as this person certainly is innocent of any "fundamentalist" (never heard this term used in this way before; maybe "extremist" or "terrorist") acts. Besides, any adherent to any ideology is capable of criminal/violent acts...

Maybe if the Hasidic Jew had physics training he would understand that praying has no effect on the lift mechanism of air having to flow further over the topside of a wing. His prayer was insulting the workmanship of the manufacturers and the abilities of the aero-engineers.

Maybe if Papewaio would remember that the plane is at the mercy of nature, which in Orthodox Judaism is in the control of God, he would not jump to such sarcastic remarks.

What kind of Occasionalist is he anyway...?

But then again, let him deny this and rely simply on the limited venue of sensory perception for his paradigm...

[Papewaio]

I'll be trenchantly acerbic to one and all, particularly to those I like. It's part of my belief system to question everything, so stop oppressing my thought system!

And that limited sensory input (ignoring all the rigour of logic, stats, maths, error checking and experiments which extend it) lead to the internet and man made flight... it is referred to as man made not gawd made after all.

[Mooks]

How long does a normal jewish prayer last? I know my prayers last 2 minutes at max. How the hell could a man praying to himself (Not even loudly) disturb anyone?

[Dâriûsh]

Okay, new rules:

• No Beards
• No Dark Skin
• No non-English Gibberish

Have a safe flight.

[Husar]

Okay, new rules:

• No Beards
• No Dark Skin
• No non-English Gibberish

Have a safe flight.

I should open some kind of "get ready for flight" studio on airports where people can get their beards cut off and their skin lightened. In addition, we can also teach them some english prayers.

[Banquo's Ghost]

I should open some kind of "get ready for flight" studio on airports where people can get their beards cut off and their skin lightened. In addition, we can also teach them some english prayers.

I think you'll find any sort of religion distresses the English. That's why they invented the Church of England.

[Prodigal]

Look on the bright side, if it carries on like this, soon it maybe possible to get the 3' 2" people who always snag the exit aisle seats kicked off too

[monkian]

I think you'll find any sort of religion distresses the English. That's why they invented the Church of England.

lol - sig worthy

[Myrddraal]

Are jews not capable of fundementalist acts?

Isn't anyone capable of fundementalist acts?

[Tribesman]

Has anyone else here flown on El-Al ?
It really is something wonderful to experience , they would be a bit buggered though if they tried to stop people praying .
I do wonder though if the pilot has to make allowances for an often sizable number of his passengers making their way to one end of the plane to perform their religeous observations .

[Mithrandir]

How big are the odds of someone planning a terrorist attack being so obvious about it ?


Silly story from the Netherlands :

a person walked around for several hours in a white robe (can't recall the proper name at the moment) with an(obivously) fake bomb-belt around his waist and a sign saying "sex bomb" around his neck. He did this on "lowlands" the biggest music event in the Netherlands.

After a while security alerted the police, which started a massive manhunt. The security alert was raised and security checks at the countries largest airport were increased. It turned out to be a stunt from a promotion agency.
I haven't found a link in English yet .

[Dâriûsh]

Hey, a suicide sex bomb is not to be trifled with.




...another little victory to Al-Qaeda or whoever.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Im wondering since there are prescribed times for muslims to pray if they would be rquired to pray on a plane and if they would have to face Mecca? Is it ok to ask a muslim not to pray on a plane? I just watched United 93 and must say the scenes of the Muslims praying were actually very disturbing to me. In fact the most disturbing part of the film as it showed just how fanatical these people are. Should Muslims be singled out in this matter? Should christians be prevented from praying on planes?

[Tribesman]

Im wondering since there are prescribed times for muslims to pray if they would be rquired to pray on a plane and if they would have to face Mecca?
Ahem .Has anyone else here flown on El-Al ?
It really is something wonderful to experience , they would be a bit buggered though if they tried to stop people praying .
I do wonder though if the pilot has to make allowances for an often sizable number of his passengers making their way to one end of the plane to perform their religeous observations
I must add that on all the arab/muslim airlines I have never witnessed anything like El-al , which is without as doubt the second best airline I have ever flown with .

[Reenk Roink]

Im wondering since there are prescribed times for muslims to pray if they would be rquired to pray on a plane and if they would have to face Mecca? Is it ok to ask a muslim not to pray on a plane?

I would suppose that many incidents of "praying" on planes would not refer to the actual ritual prayers of Judaism and Islam, but rather just a little "God keep me safe" prayer.

I just watched United 93 and must say the scenes of the Muslims praying were actually very disturbing to me. In fact the most disturbing part of the film as it showed just how fanatical these people are.

Terrorists getting ready to fly planes into buildings are certainly fanatical...

Should Muslims be singled out in this matter?

No.

Should christians be prevented from praying on planes?

No.

[Leet Eriksson]

Im wondering since there are prescribed times for muslims to pray if they would be rquired to pray on a plane and if they would have to face Mecca?
Ahem .Has anyone else here flown on El-Al ?
It really is something wonderful to experience , they would be a bit buggered though if they tried to stop people praying .
I do wonder though if the pilot has to make allowances for an often sizable number of his passengers making their way to one end of the plane to perform their religeous observations
I must add that on all the arab/muslim airlines I have never witnessed anything like El-al , which is without as doubt the second best airline I have ever flown with .

Blasphemy, did you try Emirates?

[Mooks]

Yup, banning religios people from planes is GREAT for business.

(Sarcasm)

[Hepcat]

I think praying should only be stopped if they are meant to be seated at the time, otherwise during the flight there should be nothing wrong with it. Though maybe the person could tell the crew, just so that they know.

[Tribesman]

Blasphemy, did you try Emirates?
They lacked the singing dancing cabin crew .

[Leet Eriksson]

Blasphemy, did you try Emirates?
They lacked the singing dancing cabin crew .

Thats pretty awesome!! if its true, i gotta give it a try

[Tribesman]

Thats pretty awesome!!
awesome ? it was brilliant , the only downside (unless you don't like Kosher food ) was the extra security , but that is pretty much the norm on any airline now .