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Typical. The world spits on our face and then asks for us back- even our enemies. We see it in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, and everywhere else.
Typical. The world spits on our face and then asks for us back- even our enemies. We see it in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, and everywhere else.
Originally Posted by :
"The Americans were better than the Iraqis. They treated us better," said Khalid Alaani, who was held on suspicion of involvement in Sunni terrorism.
What? I thought Americans were the worst people in the world? Perhaps we should send the gitmo people back to their native lands..."The Americans were better than the Iraqis. They treated us better," said Khalid Alaani, who was held on suspicion of involvement in Sunni terrorism.
Seriously, this is not exactly comforting.
Crazed Rabbit
Set yourself up for justice etc etc, and when pictures of GIs piling up prisoners some people might ask some questions.
Well done! You're "better" than Iraqi guards. Talk about faint praise. You get to look after suspects that cheerfully bomb ques of your fellow countrymen and you might be annoyed as well.
I hear your human rights record is "better" than China!!! WOW!
Well done! You're "better" than Iraqi guards. Talk about faint praise. You get to look after suspects that cheerfully bomb ques of your fellow countrymen and you might be annoyed as well.
I hear your human rights record is "better" than China!!! WOW!
To paraphrase CBG:
The world has already taken note of our accomplishments, America has already moved up to 299 on the list of the World's 300 most liveable prisons cities. Take that Iran.
The world has already taken note of our accomplishments, America has already moved up to 299 on the list of the World's 300 most liveable prisons cities. Take that Iran.
Yeah and your UK prisons are so much better...I've seen what goes on in there 
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma:
Typical. The world spits on our face and then asks for us back- even our enemies. We see it in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, and everywhere else.
Huzzah!Typical. The world spits on our face and then asks for us back- even our enemies. We see it in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, and everywhere else.
But if the Americans were actually worse than the re-employed mukhabarat boys, then a lot of good young American men and women would have died for nothing, wouldn’t they?
But if the Americans were actually worse than the re-employed mukhabarat boys, then a lot of good young American men and women would have died for nothing, wouldn’t they? you can be so cruel some times Daruish
Remember , in a free Iraq there will be no more torture chambers .
So when Casey was describing the handover as another "milestone" (damn there have been so many milestones you must wonder if they are really just stuck on a roundabout and can't get on the exit road , passing the same milestone again and again) he hadn't read the State Depts. report on Iraqi prisoner abuse . Surely if he had read about the sectarian militias running the detention services and using electic drills to persuade suspects of the error of their ways then he wouldn't have been singing the praises of the progress in handing them full control .
you can be so cruel some times Daruish Remember , in a free Iraq there will be no more torture chambers .
So when Casey was describing the handover as another "milestone" (damn there have been so many milestones you must wonder if they are really just stuck on a roundabout and can't get on the exit road , passing the same milestone again and again) he hadn't read the State Depts. report on Iraqi prisoner abuse . Surely if he had read about the sectarian militias running the detention services and using electic drills to persuade suspects of the error of their ways then he wouldn't have been singing the praises of the progress in handing them full control .
Maybe it wasn't all that bad, can't deny the islamic world has a talent for exagerating and theater. Some people even consider being hooded a good time, case of tough love.
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
you can be so cruel some times Daruish
Oh, but I am serious. you can be so cruel some times Daruish I am just not sure that Divinus Arma is.
Some regime change, eh, the first mass hangings since Saddam. Just like the good old days....
I'm curious about this one:
This is a "gone from bad to worse" news and it certainly doesn't sound encuraging.
Originally Posted by the article:
"I heard shouting, like someone had a hot iron on their body, screams. The officer said they were just screaming by themselves. I was hearing the screams throughout the visit."
How exactly does a shout caused by hot iron on thier body sounds like? And how does the author know how it sounds like? "I heard shouting, like someone had a hot iron on their body, screams. The officer said they were just screaming by themselves. I was hearing the screams throughout the visit."
This is a "gone from bad to worse" news and it certainly doesn't sound encuraging.
Originally Posted by Ironside:
How exactly does a shout caused by hot iron on thier body sounds like? And how does the author know how it sounds like?
PLEASE STOP IT BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNS AAAAAAAAAARGH NONONONO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH i DON'T KNOW ANYTHING NONONONO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.How exactly does a shout caused by hot iron on thier body sounds like? And how does the author know how it sounds like?
So I was told.
Well its all going well in Iraq and Afganistan, everything is fine, remember.
Is this surprising? No.
Does it make what the GI's did right? No.
What does it mean? American GI's are less inventive.
Is this surprising? No.
Does it make what the GI's did right? No.
What does it mean? American GI's are less inventive.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
PLEASE STOP IT BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNS AAAAAAAAAARGH NONONONO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH i DON'T KNOW ANYTHING NONONONO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.
So I was told.
Somehow the thought of someone screaming it burns never crossed my mind (did think think something in the style of "no, no not the hot irons" but that would make things a bit more obvious than just a suspicion) PLEASE STOP IT BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNS AAAAAAAAAARGH NONONONO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH i DON'T KNOW ANYTHING NONONONO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.
So I was told.
.I'm guessing discussion 4-D and the concept of basing morals on human rights short-circuits the normal brain functions
AHAHAHAHA!!!! Abu Ghraib torture sure is fun!!!
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk:
Well done! You're "better" than Iraqi guards.
Exactly. Well done! You're "better" than Iraqi guards.
Since when is Iraqs treatment of prisoners America's benchmark?
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
Exactly.
Since when is Iraqs treatment of prisoners America's benchmark?
Since Guantanomo bay hit the news?Exactly.
Since when is Iraqs treatment of prisoners America's benchmark?
I'd say the message is that the American guards were, in general, humane ones who concerned themselves with the well-being of their prisoners. Also, the abuses perpetrated by a few American guards were isolated and far from representitive of normal operation.
And we can't ask for more than that - if the admiistration admits it early and does something about it.
But when they are setting themselves up as cleaner than clean faces get rather red when first comes denial, the obfuscation and finally admission.
But when they are setting themselves up as cleaner than clean faces get rather red when first comes denial, the obfuscation and finally admission.
While I am in agreement with Divinus Arma that we do, despite the actions of some American soldiers, treat our prisoners much better than the Iraqis treat theirs. Then again, this is supposed to really be their war isn't it? Mind you, I am not making excuses for the bad behavior of the former American guards at Abu Gharib, or the alleged abuses at Guantanamo. Those responsible should be tried and disciplined as is right.
I think that the sooner we get out of the way, and let the Iraqis deal with their own, the better. I don't care for the situation any more than anyone else. I still can't, for the life of me, understand what the Bush administration was thinking on just what was going on in Iraq before we invaded. I was always doubtful that the religous, ethnic, and cultural differences between the opposing factins could be resolved without a civil war. The Iraqis are only just beginning to set things right from their point of view. Trust me, it's going to get a whole lot bloodier before it's through. Watch what happens as we let more and more of the Iraqi army take over. Saddam II, the Shiite version, look out!
Utterly astounded? Come on!
I think that the sooner we get out of the way, and let the Iraqis deal with their own, the better. I don't care for the situation any more than anyone else. I still can't, for the life of me, understand what the Bush administration was thinking on just what was going on in Iraq before we invaded. I was always doubtful that the religous, ethnic, and cultural differences between the opposing factins could be resolved without a civil war. The Iraqis are only just beginning to set things right from their point of view. Trust me, it's going to get a whole lot bloodier before it's through. Watch what happens as we let more and more of the Iraqi army take over. Saddam II, the Shiite version, look out!
Utterly astounded? Come on!
Originally Posted by Mithrandir:
Since Guantanomo bay hit the news?
Ya I get the two confused too. It must be that other side of the planet thing.Since Guantanomo bay hit the news?
"Inhumane to prisoners? Us? Guess what, the guys who we turned them over to actually turned out worse, so I expect an apology!"
You're right DA, I apologize. I don't recall ever spitting an American in the face, but if you say so you can do it back anytime you want to. Just don't beat me
You're right DA, I apologize. I don't recall ever spitting an American in the face, but if you say so you can do it back anytime you want to. Just don't beat me
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