Adoption vs abortion

**Fragony** · 09-11-2006, 11:30

Originally Posted by Hepcat

But imagine if every unwanted child were put up for adoption. There would be a LOT of children and not enough parents.

Enough parents to make the african human trafficing a flourishing market.

**doc_bean** · 09-11-2006, 11:41

Even if there aren't enough parents willing to raise those kids. Having more kids could be beneficial enough for a Western European to warrant decent investment by the state in orphanages. We're going extinct here !

I believe the average amount of children per woman is about 1.6 here, so the increase in births could increase this to 1.8, which still isn't enough to stay even, but might makes things a lot easier in the future...

**Hepcat** · 09-11-2006, 12:02

New Zealand is the same, our population gets bolstered more from immigration than birth rates. We just reached our landmark population of 4 million this year (or last year, I forget) and don't we feel special.

**macsen rufus** · 09-11-2006, 12:34

I'd like to put the boot on the other foot : why do so many people choose IVF etc instead of adoption?

**Hepcat** · 09-11-2006, 13:15

I guess so that they actually ARE related to their child. One of my science teachers holds the view that the main objective in life is to pass on your genes (he's a biologist) and in a way it sort of is.

**macsen rufus** · 09-11-2006, 14:22

With so many kids languishing in orphanages, State or local authority "care" etc already, it's clear there are not enough potential "parents" to adopt them all.

Biologically speaking, there's probably a reason behind infertility, too. (I read somewhere that homosexuality and infertility both increase in overcrowded conditions, but have lost the reference). I don't believe it's something an overcrowded world should be pumping resources and heroic medical intervention into. If people are losing fertility because they "wanted a career and left it too late", well, sorry, but decisions have consequences. The world no more owes you a family than it does a living. Loads of kids already out there need loving homes.

But to doc_bean's original post -- I think you're right to suggest that it's the pregnancy people don't want rather than the child itself. And yes, it's also true I know more people who've had abortions than have given up kids for adoption, but only just (3 vs 2!) But your example of the 20-somethings - come on, they're playing at being grown up. No excuse. Younger teenagers, who are so hooked into peer-group garbage beliefs about sex need better education and protection (though at that age you can't tell them anything anyway....)

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 09-11-2006, 15:29

With so many kids languishing in orphanages, State or local authority "care" etc already, it's clear there are not enough potential "parents" to adopt them all.

Theres a big difference between children in an orphanage and new born babies. You wont find any babies in an orphanage. In fact theres waiting lines for them and people willing to pay a very good price for them.

**Xiahou** · 09-11-2006, 19:41

Originally Posted by macsen rufus

I'd like to put the boot on the other foot : why do so many people choose IVF etc instead of adoption?

Im sure part of it is that there are so few babies available for adoption.

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Giving birth tears a lot of structures. Probably best to not bother if you've already decided you don't want a child in any case.

Its not as those abortion is entirely risk free either.

Originally Posted by doc_bean

I mean, consider the situation where you are in your early twenties and you knock your girlfriend up. A pretty common thing to happen in the world. Now for most people they'd just think about whether or not they'd keep the baby. giving it up for adoption doesn't cross 99% of the people's mind.
Why is this ? Why is there such a bias against giving away a child for adoption whilst it is considered perfectly acceptable (for a lot of people) to have an abortion ?

I think at least part of it is simple selfishness. People have sex irresponsibly and then dont want to deal with any of the consequences afterwards and want to forget about their indescretions as soon as possible. Its much easier just to make it "go away" without having too see the results of their actions.

**Spino** · 09-11-2006, 21:28

Originally Posted by macsen rufus

I'd like to put the boot on the other foot : why do so many people choose IVF etc instead of adoption?

Because the urge to procreate and pass one's genes on into the next generation is the raison d'etre for all life on this planet. When it comes down to the nitty Darwinian gritty absolutely nothing else matters. Foregoing reproduction altogether and adopting someone else's offpspring or hindering and/or affecting the growth of one's offspring as a by-product of taking care of someone else's offspring is and always shall be a practice of a small minority.

**AntiochusIII** · 09-12-2006, 00:14

Originally Posted by Spino

Because the urge to procreate and pass one's genes on into the next generation is the raison d'etre for all life on this planet. When it comes down to the nitty Darwinian gritty absolutely nothing else matters. Foregoing reproduction altogether and adopting someone else's offpspring or hindering and/or affecting the growth of one's offspring as a by-product of taking care of someone else's offspring is and always shall be a practice of a small minority.

Eh, not mine. I think I have transcended for believing honestly that all I care about in life is to live. Gods and hells be damned. They'll never have me if I'm staying here on Earth.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Enough parents to make the african human trafficing a flourishing market.

It's just a generalization, but, do you really think that those willing to engage in such "trades" will make good parents?

**Fragony** · 09-13-2006, 08:19

Originally Posted by AntiochusIII

It's just a generalization, but, do you really think that those willing to engage in such "trades" will make good parents?

It just shows how desperate these people are to have a child. We shouldn't work against people that want to do so, so abortion should only be a possibility in the most extreme cases. If they are woman enough to get knocked up they should be able to cope with these 9 months.