demo availability?

[|Heerbann|_Di3Hard]

They won't make a new demo.
If we are lucky it is the same demo but without the bugs but doubt it.
But the overall feelings from the people that played the demo is that it is very good anyway.

But this demo is more a graphical demonstration than a gameplay demo. E.g. the computer enemies are too closed at the beginning. It was not possible to test different formations. And there was only a few units per side. (not 20). We can only test the performance if somebody make a mod to increase the unit numbers up to 6000-8000 men (like a 3vs3).

[TB666]

It is a gameplay demo just like all the other demos was.

[|Heerbann|_Di3Hard]

It is a gameplay demo just like all the other demos was.

Sorry but I expect from a demo to show the capabilities of the game engine. This mean at least 6000 - 8000 men on the battlefield (as usual in a normal 3vs3)! After the Rome Demo I bought the game and I was disappointed. This will not happen again.

[TB666]

Sorry but I expect from a demo to show the capabilities of the game engine. This mean at least 6000 - 8000 men on the battlefield (as usual in a normal 3vs3)! After the Rome Demo I bought the game and I got disappointed. This will not happen again.

Well if you can't handle that many troops in RTW then certainly won't handle it now either.
Demos are suppose to give you a sample of what to expect, not the whole deal.
The historical battles are a good test from gameplay and hardware performance.

[x-dANGEr]

3 on 3's take up to 8000 men on the battlefield.. What do you do when you play, pick all peasents!!

The current average for a 3 on 3 is 4000 men. (Maybe more is possible on M: TW <--- 2D, but I doubt your PC can handle up to 8000 men on RTW, rather than Medieval TWO: TW..)

[|Heerbann|_Di3Hard]

3 on 3's take up to 8000 men on the battlefield.. What do you do when you play, pick all peasents!!

Come to MTW Vi and I show you my army.

The current average for a 3 on 3 is 4000 men. (Maybe more is possible on M: TW <--- 2D, but I doubt your PC can handle up to 8000 men on RTW, rather than Medieval TWO: TW..)

6 player --> 7000 / 6 = 1166

In MTW 1 we have 16 units and an army has between 900 and 1000 soldier. In MTW 2 you have 20 slots. 950 * 20 / 16 = ca. 1200 * 6 = 7200

e.g.
Byz Army:
3 pav: 180
4 Byz inf.:400
2 varanger guard: 120
7 cav: 280
= 980 soldier.

This is MTW m8 and not Rome. I expect 6000-8000 soldiers on a new medium PC. 4000 soldier and 3vs3 means 666 ;) soldier each. Let us make the calculation backward:

Byz Army ( 20 slots):
4 pav(30): 120
6 Byz inf.(50):300
2 varanger guard (30): 60
8 cav ( 20): 160
= 640 soldier.

But how should this look like?? A cav with 20 soldier?? Or 30 men pavs?? LOL No way.

[x-dANGEr]

That's RTW mate, or what I like to call the "3D world". It is simply, like.. almost impossible to run a 8000 men battle with all graphics on max with a good FPS rate (30+) in RTW.. I didn't test any new cards, but I know that 8000 men on the battlefield with GFX set to high and on M2: TW is like a miracle to happen with the normal PC home-users..

P.S. A Cavalry unit count to 27 men in RTW. An "elite" infantry unit count either 12 men or 18 men. A normal one counts 41/40. A stacked one count 60, and the odd peasant unit counts as 80.