demo availability?

[TB666]

It is a gameplay demo just like all the other demos was.

[|Heerbann|_Di3Hard]

It is a gameplay demo just like all the other demos was.

Sorry but I expect from a demo to show the capabilities of the game engine. This mean at least 6000 - 8000 men on the battlefield (as usual in a normal 3vs3)! After the Rome Demo I bought the game and I was disappointed. This will not happen again.

[TB666]

Sorry but I expect from a demo to show the capabilities of the game engine. This mean at least 6000 - 8000 men on the battlefield (as usual in a normal 3vs3)! After the Rome Demo I bought the game and I got disappointed. This will not happen again.

Well if you can't handle that many troops in RTW then certainly won't handle it now either.
Demos are suppose to give you a sample of what to expect, not the whole deal.
The historical battles are a good test from gameplay and hardware performance.

[x-dANGEr]

3 on 3's take up to 8000 men on the battlefield.. What do you do when you play, pick all peasents!!

The current average for a 3 on 3 is 4000 men. (Maybe more is possible on M: TW <--- 2D, but I doubt your PC can handle up to 8000 men on RTW, rather than Medieval TWO: TW..)

[|Heerbann|_Di3Hard]

3 on 3's take up to 8000 men on the battlefield.. What do you do when you play, pick all peasents!!

Come to MTW Vi and I show you my army.

The current average for a 3 on 3 is 4000 men. (Maybe more is possible on M: TW <--- 2D, but I doubt your PC can handle up to 8000 men on RTW, rather than Medieval TWO: TW..)

6 player --> 7000 / 6 = 1166

In MTW 1 we have 16 units and an army has between 900 and 1000 soldier. In MTW 2 you have 20 slots. 950 * 20 / 16 = ca. 1200 * 6 = 7200

e.g.
Byz Army:
3 pav: 180
4 Byz inf.:400
2 varanger guard: 120
7 cav: 280
= 980 soldier.

This is MTW m8 and not Rome. I expect 6000-8000 soldiers on a new medium PC. 4000 soldier and 3vs3 means 666 ;) soldier each. Let us make the calculation backward:

Byz Army ( 20 slots):
4 pav(30): 120
6 Byz inf.(50):300
2 varanger guard (30): 60
8 cav ( 20): 160
= 640 soldier.

But how should this look like?? A cav with 20 soldier?? Or 30 men pavs?? LOL No way.

[x-dANGEr]

That's RTW mate, or what I like to call the "3D world". It is simply, like.. almost impossible to run a 8000 men battle with all graphics on max with a good FPS rate (30+) in RTW.. I didn't test any new cards, but I know that 8000 men on the battlefield with GFX set to high and on M2: TW is like a miracle to happen with the normal PC home-users..

P.S. A Cavalry unit count to 27 men in RTW. An "elite" infantry unit count either 12 men or 18 men. A normal one counts 41/40. A stacked one count 60, and the odd peasant unit counts as 80.

[|Heerbann|_Di3Hard]

That's RTW mate, or what I like to call the "3D world". It is simply, like.. almost impossible to run a 8000 men battle with all graphics on max with a good FPS rate (30+) in RTW.. I didn't test any new cards, but I know that 8000 men on the battlefield with GFX set to high and on M2: TW is like a miracle to happen with the normal PC home-users..

Yes, that's correct. I am too addicted in MTW Vi as I could accept that MTW 2 is ROME 2 Okay this will mean, that I will play MTW Vi as long as possible and our clan ( and I think also other MTW VI clans ) will leave the TW community. I don't like Rome. I dont like the unit size of Rome and I don't like small Armies with 600 men and much more. But well, thats life. We don'T need graphics. We need gameplay. If the graphics is more important than the gameplay, there must be something wrong. At the moment it is modern to have good marketing. The product can be crap, but the most important is the visual.

P.S. A Cavalry unit count to 27 men in RTW. An "elite" infantry unit count either 12 men or 18 men. A normal one counts 41/40. A stacked one count 60, and the odd peasant unit counts as 80.

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In MTW a cav has 40 men, a inf normally 60, anti cav 100 men (billmen 60). These size is optimal to play. If you have a cav with 20 men, after one mistake, the cav is dead... 40 men inf is too small for good formations. My opinion.

Sry for off topic and I will stop whining now.

Best Regards
|Heerbann|_Di3Hard

[Chuffy]

P.S. A Cavalry unit count to 27 men in RTW. An "elite" infantry unit count either 12 men or 18 men. A normal one counts 41/40. A stacked one count 60, and the odd peasant unit counts as 80.

Thats only if you've got a crappy computer and you're playing with tiny unit sizes.